• retrospectology@lemmy.world
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      It actually is really simple, you’re right. Don’t fund genocide and you get my vote.

      That’s literally all it takes at this point. I’ve been defeated on ever seeing functional healthcare and campaign finance reform and stuff. You guys won in that regard, its not gonna happen, you should be happy. All I’m saying is I can’t vote for a pro-genocide candidate, you know?

      You’ve dragged me along to the right with you so far that that’s now my standard.

      I’m gonna blow your mind here; I voted for Biden in 2020. Despite utterly despising neolibs and their coercive right-wing politics. I did what you demanded, voted for the lesser evil (once again) and got a genocide for it.

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        This whole ‘You guys won’ take is nonsense. We have to work together or WE are all equally fucked.

        I’m gonna blow your mind here

        That is is not the smart ass revelation that you imagine it should be.

        You voted for Biden in 2020 despite his history of supporting wars that kill innocent people. He voted in favor of the Iraq War in 2003. Biden supported the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 and reasserted the need to stay there in 2002. If you actually cared about war time deaths of innocents that Biden affects, you never would’ve supported him in the first place.

        Now, suddenly, a war not supported or instigated by Biden is what causes you to turn against him in an election where the other candidate is openly talking about murdering his opposition out of revenge?

        You just hopped on a bandwagon, one that’s been flooded with adversarial political and foreign state sponsors.

        I did what you demanded

        You did it wrong. Make your own choices and support your own agency of thoughtfulness and objective consideration. Right now, your entire decision tree is quite obviously locked into a repeating loop. If you are relying on others to tell you how to vote, you lost your way before you ever learned the game.

        Biden didn’t fund Hamas in Gaza; Biden didn’t direct Hamas to attack Israel; Biden didn’t order the IDF to respond with weapons of war; Biden hasn’t ordered or actively encouraged the Israelis to continue attacking Gaza and killing innocent people, families, and children.

        The Israeli Government and their Military is who you should be railing on 24/7 for taking part in what is tantamount genocide of the Palestinians. I know you’re not actually reading most if any of this and I should probably just hit cancel move on, but you’re really leaning in and in the off chance something may spark, might as well try. Instead, you play right into propaganda intending to destabilize the US from within by sowing discontent in an election by putting blame of foreign military actions on an incumbent President trying to thread a needle of politics and diplomacy in an election year amid a foreign country’s genocidal actions against a foreign people.

        Getting Trump re-elected may be the single most world-wide destabilizing event that could happen as a result of a strictly US political process. He already tried to dissolve NATO for Putin once.

        You want to play politics like it’s 1v1 checkers when it’s really 14,356 games of Chess at the same time, on a timer.

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        And if you had not voted, how would we be seeing different right now?

        Do you really think a 3rd party would have won? Do you think Trump would have made any better decisions for anyone besides is rich donors? Would there be more or less genocide happening?

        I know we will actually never know. We do know how to try and hypothesize though.

        Until we make a change in our electoral system there is always going to be this Turd Sandwich vs. Douchebag problem. If Trump wins the next election there will be 0 chance of change or reform for the betterment of the people. Without Trump there is a slightly greater than 0.

        You will probably not actually stop to consider any of these things, I and the other fine folks have mentioned, while setting your bias aside and evaluating your position. But maybe, someone else reading through the threads here Will stop and think about some of the things being brought up here.

        Even with the insane ease of communication we have now with the internet, we cannot as a country of human people, set aside our biases and figure out how to coordinate to any degree to show a mass/collective message.

        I have said for decades, if we all just say “Fuck This” and vote for 3rd parties instead of the 2 picked for us it would send a message to those parties about what we actually want AND show us the power our vote really has when apply ourselves. We would need people to actually register to vote and then Vote! The amount of the population that does is fucking laughable though, so I guess they feel it’s fine, and that’s their vote too.

        Obligitory 🎶🎵Freewill lyrics🎶🎵 ~Rush