• Sanctus@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      Its possible the keg is done being packed and we’re watching the fuse dwindle

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      6 months ago

      My bets have been on Taiwan being the flashpoint for well over a year now. Standing firm.

      And my bet is and has been “before Christmas of 2024.”

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        6 months ago

        Especially if there’s “voting irregularities” or Trump wins outright. The Chinese would definitely take advantage of the confusion.

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        I thought about that for a long time, and, honestly, it seems that Russia may have stolen China’s thunder there by invading Ukraine. As a result, the whole world (mostly) super-hates and has united against Russia with untold billions of weapons and aid to Ukraine.

        What’s China to think of their Taiwan plan, now? Well, I think it’s obvious by watching what they’re doing, what they’ve been doing.

        Although they’ve become more aggressive in the South China Sea, what with building all their fake islands and atolls in order to claim some sovereignty to the waters. But most of what they’re doing merely amounts to harassment and bullying of surrounding nations. And while there’s been a good amount of somewhat-incendiary talk re: China’s intentions towards Taiwan, they’ve actually done very little to accomplish that goal, as of late. They’re being careful, weighing their options, and proceeding slowly but surely.

        Will Taiwan become the next place invaded? A new flashpoint? I don’t think so, or, at least, not for a while. The Ukraine War, Russia’s almost-collapsed economy, and their need for aid of all kinds has put China into an uncomfortable position, and they seem to be reprioritizing. Also, Taiwan has had a defense buildup for several years, and they’re far more capable of defending themselves than before.

        If China makes any serious move against Taiwan, IMO, it will be a while from now.

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          Idk. We’ve choked China out of AI supremacy. All of our mega GDP makers rely heavily on TSMC. Heavily.

          I mean, entirely.

          Like Biden throwing billions at chip manufacturers. Tensions in the South China Sea are ridiculous. The stakes have never been higher, and it’s right in what they see as their back yard. Taking down TSMC cripples the US economy, causes a worldwide kerfuffle (especially with tensions from Russia/Ukraine, Israel/Palestine, Israel/Iran, US/Israel, US/Ukraine, US/Iran relationships.

          I get what you mean that you’ve been thinking that for a decade. Ive been seeing it for as long. But it’s gotten real with the AI bubble and tech sanctions. If it doesn’t burst before 2030, there’s no way China doesn’t act. Frankly, I’m betting on less than 6 months.

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            All of China’s actions that you have described, I see as a dissipation of the united effort against Taiwan. Like I said, I’m not saying it won’t happen, I’m just saying it won’t happen really soon. China actually gives a huge shit about their international reputation. And they don’t want to that damaged fighting a war they can’t win. They will wait to move on Taiwan until they can be reasonably assured of a victory. And that won’t happen anytime soon.

            China is also quite adept at fighting economic wars (like the US), and that’s what they’re going to do with AI. Just with money and sanctions and diplomatic bullshittery.

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              Id put money on it happening before 2031. Like lots of money.

              But Xi outright told Biden he and to invade Taiwan. This year. Verbatim. I guess I’m saying he’ll lose a lot of public respect. Not that that’s as valued there as it is in the US, but it’s still reflect globally very weak and that’s just not what global superpowers do. They don’t make clear threats empty.

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                2031? Maybe. If the Ukraine war ends soon, it would give them a couple of years before they started up their bullshit. So, yeah, maybe. (Edit 2) I’d say it’s much more likely of Russia walks away with favorable terms, even less likely should Russia end up with an embarrassing loss…

                But the stuff with AI it’s not some thing they could win with their military. Not even by taking over Taiwan (which I’m not convinced they can). Economic pressure that they can weild certainly would be more likely to help them achieve their goals. It just takes a lot longer.

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                They don’t make clear threats empty.

                Oh, yes they do. All the time. China is a lot more talk than they are action, and they always have been. That’s why I am skeptical about them invading Taiwan anytime soon.

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                  I put a hard barrier past 2030 because of the China Reunification thing. It’s a big thing for Xi. If he doesn’t attempt he’ll look like a no-balls fearful leader, or something. Idk.

                  And I say 2024 because he balls’d up around Xmas 2023 and said, as I mentioned, verbatim, “We will invade Taiwan this (next) year”

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                    You’re not wrong in your reasoning, I’m just more reserved in my speculation.

                    I guess we’ll just have to wait and see

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                    Then we got the leaks saying the Chinese Military is Fubared by corruption down to the warehouse workers.

                    Russia could at least limp into Donbas when their Kiev assault disintegrated. If China tries to invade Taiwan and their missiles don’t launch, it will be a stupidly expensive, deadly, embarrassment. Just ships and planes littering the ocean floor.

                    Xhi needs to be confident that his navy won’t get pulled into Taipei ports by tugboat like Russian Tanks in the cornfields.

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        China starting it like that had been my firm suspicion for years, but after the past year or so, I’ve changed my mind. They still could be the ones to trigger it, but there are so many more players now. Russia could start it (or have already done so without us realizing it yet). Israel could start it. China could start it over island territories that they have no legitimate claim over–oh wait, that includes Taiwan.

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          Strange time to change your mind about it…?

          South China Seas have never been more piratey. It’s basically a warzone already, inching closer to Taiwan every day.

          By this I mean like… What’re your regularish news sources? Because my radar flipped the other way.