“We believe the prerequisite for meaningful diplomacy and real peace is a stronger Ukraine, capable of deterring and defending against any future aggression,” Blinken said in a speech in Finland, which recently became NATO’s newest member and shares a long border with Russia.

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    Then you are morally okay with Ukraine being wiped off the map and the murder of as many of its citizen as Putin’s army can manage.

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      Dude, do you honestly think Putin is trying to militarily annihilate Ukraine? Especially when he considers Russians and Ukrainians to share the same cultural lineage and history. He made numerous overtures to try and ‘avoid’ a conflict from breaking out. Why was the west so adamantly against laying the framework for a security arrangement that made sense for all the parties involved?

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        He made numerous overtures to try and ‘avoid’ a conflict from breaking out.

        Putin: “If you allow this country to have protection from me invading it, I’m going to invade it.”
        U.S.: “Yeah… we’re going to consider allowing them protection from you.”
        Putin: “Oh no… somebody stop me from invading this other country…! Here I go, I’m gonna invaaaade…”
        U.S.: “Okay.”
        [Putin invades Ukraine, begins murdering Ukrainians]
        U.S., months later: “Alright that’s enough, we’re going to help these Ukranians to keep you from murdering them.”
        Putin and his sheep: “tHe U.S. iS wArMoNgErInG!!!1!!”

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            Non-binding treaties negotiated under duress that all fell apart the moment the ink was put to paper, through which Russia tried to control Ukrainian internal affairs?

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                I honestly don’t give a shit. Russia is the aggressor who invaded and massacred untold Ukrainians along the way. They now should be opposed and driven back until they come to their senses and leave, or are beaten into the dust so that they can no longer pose a threat.

                If you want to debate the entire history of the region, take it to someone who does give a shit.

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                  “I have strong opinions about something I don’t know shit about!”

                • ☭ Comrade Pup Ivy 🇨🇺@lemmygrad.ml
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                  Quick question, how can Russia be the agressor, when they were not the party to break the previous treaty? How could Russia be the agressor when they only entered after their allies, the LPR and DPR, newly formed after a vote of the people due to the violation of the aformentioned Minsk Accords, asked for help from their ally. Russia never took the first step, and its quite hard to be the agressor when, you where not the one agressing