• Kaboom@reddthat.com
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    For those out of the loop, Gaza still persecutes lgbtq people, up to 10 years in jail per “incident” of having queer sex.

    Theres also been a few vigilante murders of lgbtq people.

    Just because they massacred 1200 people and started a war they couldnt finish does not mean that theyre nice people.

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      The meme is about generalising and grouping all Gazans under the same labels to justify the genocide. It’s racist and covers up their struggle.

      There LGBTQ Gazans, there are handicapped Gazans, there are racist Gazans, there are homophobic Gazans, there are straight Gazans, etc.

      They’re human beings with their flaws and qualities, and regardless of their views, they shouldn’t endure whatever the fuck Israel is doing to them. Nobody should, ever.

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        There arent any lgbtq people in gaza, they either escaped or theyre dead.

        Try again.

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          You’re either a troll or a moron but I’ll bite.

          LGBTQ people represent roughly 10% of the world population, a lot of them either don’t know about it yet or identified it and are not “out”.

          So no, LGBTQ people are not either all dead or out of Gaza, that’s just an ignorant and moronic take, even more so when trying to justify a genocide.

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        On Lemmy you can either be antisemite or zionist, there seems to be nothing in between.

        What if I told you Hamas and the Israeli government both suck?

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          I would say that is a rational take that I see posted on lemmy about as often as I see people posting in favor of Isreal or Palestine. The only opinion I don’t think I’ve seen anyone express is pro-Hamas although I have seen a lot of zionists claiming that people have.

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        Yes, I think we shouldnt kill 7 million Jews. Apparently that makes me a sociopath according to a rando on lemmy

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          Nobody is talking about killing 7 million Jews. Your hypothetical feelings of victimhood is being used to justify an actual genocide.

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            What do you think happens to the people of Israel if they simply give up?

            Hint: Gaza is 99% Sunni Muslim for a reason.

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              I’d like to jump in and ask a genuine counter question:

              • What do you believe is the cause of Hamas’ existence?
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                  I’ll address your source in a moment, but I was more aiming for what socio-political conditions might cause a group like Hamas to decide they need to take the action they have taken.

                  Hamas exists due to the (as of today) 3/4 of a century of oppression that the Palestinians have been subjected to as a result of the creation of Israel after WW2. When the was ended, it was decided that the European Jewish population needed a safe region, so the British and Zionists (reminder that Zionists are often christians and that the creation of Israel was a “biblical prophecy”) pushed the Palestinians out of their homes to create Israel, the land for which was forcibly partitioned and claimed as a result of a funded war. Many Palestinians still have the keys for the homes they were forced out of.

                  This isnt even detailing the 1967 repartitioning, or the long standing and repeated mistreatment of people within the open air prison that is the Gaza strip and the Palestinian permitted areas of the west bank, or many, many other things.

                  Hamas is the result of decades of oppression and dismissal of the Palestinian people.

                  Now, regarding your link, yes, this is the 1988 hamas covenant(it was softened a little in 2017) and I dont really care about it in regards to whether or not Israel should be carrying out its actions. I posed this hypothetical to another user but I’ll shorten it to restate it here:

                  Hamas has done terrible, terrible things. During WW2, the Nazi’s claimed that the Jewish people had done, or were planning things of a similar nature, in order to justify the “necessity of the holocaust”(not a quote, just wanted to make clear that it wasnt my sentiment). If there were groups of Jewish people who had done things like Hamas has done, would that justify the holocaust? If you answer correctly (correct answer is “no it wouldn’t”) then why do the actions of Hamas seemingly justify the indiscriminate and unceasing killing of Palestinian civilians?

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                  Or maybe it’s the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948 by Europeans and the subsequent 76 years of colonial apartheid and brutality.

                  Hamas is literally an Arabic acronym for “the party of resistance”

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                  So, what @Mrkawfee@lemmy.world said is correct.

                  The existence of Hamas, and their inexcusable actions, are a direct consequence of Israel’s militaristic apartheid and colonial oppression of the Palestinian people.

                  Hypothetical: If there was record from mid-WW2 of Jewish resistance fighters committing actions against the German population that are of the same nature as what Hamas does to Israel today, would that have made the oppression and violent action of the Nazis valid? Or would that be a distasteful, yet potentially necessary reaction to the conditions that they were subjected to?