“Not really fair to nazis (cites BBOC)” jesus christ and that’s still up while the person who said nazis/sympathizers should be shot has their comment removed. Scratched liberals show where their preference is in “both are bad” the second is the USSR is defended.
You’re on my blocklist now
you have been downvoted.copypasta
I got into it with that dude and he ended up denying that the Irish famine was a genocide.
Calls us genocide deniers, denies a genocide
It’s always projection
Drought plus kulaks burning food out of spite, where more Russians died than Ukrainians? Genocide.
Blight of a single crop plus a continued net export of food, where only Irish died? Not a genocide.
the Irish famine
The one that the Irish still call “that time when the English stole all the food”?
thanks for narrowing it down. Now we know he’s English.
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God sent the blight, but the English made the famine
At least they’re not as bad as “The English and their History” (which I picked up on a whim) where the author not only denies that it was a genocide, but also praises the English for breaking records in money collected for disaster relief. But what got me to go from morbid curiosity about imperial apologia to stopping reading was when we got to the 20th century and you’d believe that the UK single handedly won both world wars and the evil populace rewarded these noble men by electing the evil socialists. But luckily that was corrected when Thatcher came in and set everything right.
It wasn’t apparent that Robert Tombs was a tory hack until late early modern period, but then it goes off the rails.
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funny how they have such a big instance but I don’t see anything from there any more
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They probably spend hours a day manually blocking us
when your modlog accidentally agrees that the lemm.ee user is a nazi
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should we warn people that Lemm.ee is a Nazi instance?
I was browsing a thread this morning on the topic of Hexbear and a lot of them seems genuinely cool and have a pro-federate-with-hexbear stance. There’s definitely some reactionaries over there, but there appear to be some cool folks as well.
EDIT: To add to this, I think we should absolutely target reactionaries anywhere (of course), but we SHOULD NOT let it turn into a war against other whole lemmy instances. There are cool people on most of these instances, and we should support them in their struggle to cleanse nazi filth from their own corner of the lemmyverse.
Fair enough
Why would the Lenin and the USSR topple the Czar when he was just two days away from inventing an immortality serum that would have prevented every starvation, death of old age, and death against the Nazis. So the Soviet Union is responsible for all those deaths.
Don’t forget, famines didn’t happen in Russia before the evil USSR took over.
And there were no other famines in any other parts of the world when the holographymordor was happening. None at all.
wanting the workers to control the means of production is even worse than doing the holocaust! Why? Because a reactionary wrote a book full of lies. Checkmate.
that number is outdated they actually killed
100 gorillionlike a whole lot moreThe numbers of deaths includes ‘births that could possibly have happened’. So logically as every new generation would’ve been born, Stalin’s kill count doubles, truly the death count of gommunism is literally infinity
I estimate that about 100 billion people should have been born within the last hour. Less than a billion have actually been born. I must conclude that capitalism kills at least 99 billion people an hour.
Gorilla erasure AND holocaust erasure smh
Can we not do the gorillion thing pls? That term was invented by holocaust deniers.
Deal
nice Holocaust denial, naziThat is severely understating the number of deaths nazis caused. I wonder why the user would do this.
Also, why would he use a source for communist deaths written by fascists, at least one of which was so fascist and disingenuous about his aims the project got disavowed by the other authors?
I don’t like these new rules SHOW US THEIR USERNAME
I’m more amused by the ones accusing us of being edgy teenagers
Edginess is about caring about other people and wanting society to improve. The more you care and want society to improve, the edgier you are.
Improvement from being robots/bionicles/super sentai
Tfw I will never be a green ranger
I am 25 but people think I’m either freshly out of hs and some even think I’m under 15 (I don’t live where my ethnicity is the default + it’s mixed AFAIK [family adoptions]). That’s how you age on communism. UwU
I’m in my early 30’s and last month was the first time in my life I wasn’t carded for alcohol
Now I feel old
Don’t know which is funnier, this or the guy below him who said commies killed a full billion.
I think one said about 600 million in total from china and the ussr, and a full billion from other socialist regimes iirc
killing the whole world
Hell, their vision of the USSR is so damn stronk I wonder if they’re actually closet fans.
100 million dead reactionaries.
72 trillion dead reactionaries
i am trash man
Treating morality as a math problem is so stupid. Did you know that Audie Murphy killed more people than the Golden State Killer, the Zodiac Killer, and the BTK Killer combined? Therefore he was mathematically more evil than all three of those serial killers combined I guess, reasons and the nature of the victims be damned.
Also these people never want to scale for time or number of participants: the Nazis were around for a measly ~12 years, while the USSR was around for ~69 years
, and Nazi Germany was one nation while “the communists” during the Cold War consisted of several nations.Treating the Black Book numbers as though they’re reliable (they aren’t) for the sake of argument:
Nazis: 17 million divided across 12 years is ~1,416,666 per year average deaths, from one nation / political project.
The Communists: 100 million across 69 years is ~1,449,275 per year average deaths, from multiple nations / political projects.
The Nazis weren’t going to stop themselves, they had to be stopped by the USSR. If they had lasted as long as the USSR, they would have comparable kill-counts to what the extremely unreliable Black Book of Communism attributes to the Communists. If you added in the kills from the other fascist nations (Imperial Japan in particular) instead of deliberately skewing the comparison by having all of communism throughout the Cold War against only the Nazis, then the fascists far outpace the communists, even by bullshit Black Book numbers.
Also the nazi number is a low ball if you count missing civilians, there were something like 20 million missing Soviet citizens, presumed dead
even if you ignore missing civilians it’s a lowball, the european theater of world war 2 was like 30-40 million deaths. I don’t see any good reason 100% of those deaths shouldn’t be billed to the nazis.
If we’d use the logic of the black book, we’d have to do exactly that, as it counts all the Wehrmacht soldiers killed by the Red Army and the communist partisans in self defense as “victims of communism”. Can’t have anti-commuinism without clean Wehrmacht propaganda after all.
Not to mention that the nazis did almost all of that killing in a mere fraction of the 12 years they were in power. The deportations only picked up speed when the war was already underway. And it’s not as if they were anywhere near being done with the atrocities they had dreamt up for Eastern Europe when they were finally stopped. If the Nazis would’ve ever had controlled an area as large as the AES states combined, for as long as the USSR existed, the death count would be immeasurable.
Saying the communists were worse than the nazis is full-blown Hitler apologia and should always be treated as such.
That’s Black Book of Communism to be clear, not The Black Book of Soviet Jewry, Polish Jewry, and Poland that that title is taken from which are documents of the Holocaust carried out during and shortly after the war
I could see some of them being billed to western powers who colluded with nazis at the beginning… but yeah, agree
Moralists don’t really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child’s toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately.
Treating morality as a math problem is so stupid. Did you know that Audie Murphy killed more people than the Golden State Killer, the Zodiac Killer, and the BTK Killer combined? Therefore he was mathematically more evil than all three of those serial killers combined I guess, reasons and the nature of the victims be damned.
Excellent point
