https://defed.xyz No real surprises, but the list pales compared to Lemmygrad’s still, they have 3x as many defeds.

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    Lmao its good to see the worst instances leave.

    Does anyone else find it really, really funny that the only nationality instance to defed from us so far is Canada? I mean, I get why, but I honestly expected the UK one to leave us first.

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        It seems like all Canadian online forums/subreddits/whatever are like 90% people who are landlords and/or landlord sympathizers.

        It’s really fucking weird when you consider what percentage of the actual population are landlords (especially among the main internet using demographics)

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      I’m not really surprised, sadly. A lot of their userbase is from /r/onguardforthee, which is small-L and capital-L liberal central. Their only real beef with Reddit is that the Reddit admins are making Reddit increasingly uncivil. They have no ideological problem with mainstream Reddit thought, especially when it comes to their kneejerk defence of capitalism.

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        That and the large amounts of err, “Ukrainian Patriots” having an influence in Canada. When your deputy prime minister is the granddaughter of a Nazi propagandist it tends to influence things. And her uncle also was a big proponent of the double genocide republishing said nazi propaganda as ‘research’.

        Surprised they lasted as long as they did before defederating given that.

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          Not to dox myself but in my area of Canada seeing Ukrainian flags already was on par with Canadian ones before the war and since its started they probably outnumber them 4 to 1.

          Not that I care about the lack of Canadian flags but it is pretty weird when you think about it. Like it’s not like I expect a diaspora to not display any national symbols but this particular diaspora from my experience is largely like 3+ generations in Canada, so youd think lots of the connection is lost.

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            IIRC the diaspora post-WWII was (mostly) the nazi-adjacent ultranationalists so it makes sense that they’d be more tied to Ukraine.

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              I’m aware of that (and that definitely fuels the majority of the politics of this diaspora) there is a large number that came over pre-USSR times as it was essentially advertised to them to come over and ‘settle the west’.

              Edit: What I think I mean to say is that a lot of ‘Ukrainian Identity’ in Canada comes from being descendants of those that arrived in the ‘first-wave’ section from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Canadians. Which is kind of interesting because for lots of these people their last connection to the actual land of Ukraine was from over a century ago now.

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                Huh. Could be the same thing we have in the US with anti-italian-action americans? Where they pretend to be overly italian despite having never been, for instance. Something to do with not fully integrating upon their initial immigration and staying with their same cultural group for quite some time, maybe.

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                  I think that is a good explanation. Especially since Canada, more so than maybe anywhere else, seems to have like no national identity so It can be easy to hold on to other aspects.

                  I guess as a personal example I am like only a quarter Ukrainian by blood but it was by far the culture that was emphasized to me growing up, and in my case some of my settler ancestors are from well before Canada became a thing (my grandmother is trying to investigate whether her ancestry here dates back to the very first boat of Europeans on the continent). So if anyone should have a ‘Canadian’ identity it should be me but there is nothing there at all lol.

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          I knew about her grandfather (whose wikipedia page is incredibly whitewashed) but I didn’t know about her uncle. Not a surprise of course.

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          When your deputy prime minister is the granddaughter of a Nazi propagandist it tends to influence things.

          For anyone who might be wondering, it definitely doesn’t end with her grandfather. She has denied that her grandfather was a Nazi and said claims that he was are Russian disinformation (lol). This isn’t even a her being stubborn and refusing to see the facts thing, because it has been proven that she has known this to be true going back at the very least back to the 90s.

          Also uh holding this banner

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          Wrong link, but surprisingly useful, I’ll have to pass it on.

          Amazing comment, especially about defederation being the last resort.

          Edit: jerboa and infinity are just being broken. I got some DIY HRT thread, saved it, but jerboa decided to not actually save it. Opened up the link in a browser and it’s showing the correct thread.

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        The more I learn about nature the more I realize that concepts like ‘strong’ and ‘weak’ are truly subjective to the environment.

        When today’s strong becomes tomorrow’s weak, today’s weak will be tomorrow’s strong, and protect yesterday’s strong, and vice versa. This is the best tool of a social species.

        Wow that was a bad way of explaining it but I hope that made sense

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    Lib LGBT is the community that probably does the whole “LGBT is western decadence” stuff in reverse. If you’re gay and live in the third world, you don’t matter, unless you can be used as tool to make fun of the “backwards savages” in the third world that don’t give LGBT people rights. Despite my country legalising LGBT rights a decade before any of these western countries

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      Western consumerism has driven ever more individual identity and the fetishization of said identity. It’s no surprise that many are incapable of universalism, intersectionality, and larger class or social analysis.

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    Team fuck lemmy.world

    USA propaganda flooding makes me want to block the 20k people that keep spewing hateful bullshit.

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      As a former Lemmur/Liftoff user: This is why I am now using Connect for lemmy app… It has “blocking” (hiding) of instances. The whole reddification and US centered brainwashing from lemny.“world” just got too invasive.

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    No real surprises, but the list pales compared to Lemmygrad’s still, they have 3x as many defeds.

    A lot of that is because they use a block list while we use an allow list, so a lot of instances haven’t defederated with us bc we haven’t federated with them in the first place.

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        I have it on good authority that we LOVE our trans comrades, don’t we folks a-little-trolling . Yeah, we do. Some of the best trans in the world. You know I used to be a lib, look how I transitioned to a big. Beautiful. Communist. That’s right folks. The dirty rotten bourgeoisie have had their cake and ate it too for too long. Im not saying that they’re disgusting horrible, transphobic monsters. Cause that would be uncivil. That’s why I’m not saying that I hold trans shit in higher regard that a billionaire. All I’m saying is that our trans comrades’ rights are human rights

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      And they were federated when the reddit exodus happened, so thousands of people landed and saw THE TANKIE INSTANCE with russian and chinese characteristics and freaked out.

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    It’s kind of cool to see federation working as intended. I don’t think you’re going to miss thosw instances anyway lol.

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          They have brainworms. These people think they’re doing solidarity while they’re actually carving out fiefdoms, they think NATO is a defensive alliance (except for that one time) and by supporting it that means supporting peace, they think that they aren’t anti-communist because they support socialism and it’s actually "auth"coms who are anti-communist so opposing them/banning them counts as defending communism…

          It’s peak liberalism.

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      I’m hoping that once blocking instances is better implemented it’ll cause people to chill on defederation policy and we can give it another shot. Though I feel like there’s a rumor mill working against us (always has been tbh) so idk.

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      Agreed. Also, I’m especially disheartening by the defederation by pawb.social because I have a lot of respect for Furries as a whole. They’ve done a phenomenal job of formulating their own online, social and media infrastructure, in ways that I think the left as a whole could really learn from.

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      Beehaw pre-emptively defederated us before we even federated.

      I’d what’s up with lib.lgbt but I think “lib” is probably the operative word.

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      Because we’re mean scary tankies and we might be mean to them and make them feel bad about being horrible horrible shit libs

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      I can at least understand why Beehaw did. They defederated from lemmy.world at the beginning because they take moderation pretty seriously and couldn’t keep up with the sheer size of Lemmy.world. Hexbear is simply too active within their fediverse to keep up with all the shit that comes along with Hexbear. Even if it isn’t users from here being a bit spammy (I’ll be honest, it sometimes is though, it was the same when Chapo was on Reddit) the responses to Hexbear users just have a lot more vitriol than is worth introducing into a space like Beehaw.

      Beehaw is very cool about applying for alt accounts as long as you haven’t been banned and that’s one thing good about the fediverse. You are allowed to go over there, but you have to follow their rules. They don’t really fuck with instances with open sign up because of how seriously they take moderation there, so honestly dropping Hexbear pre-emptively is fine. They’re pretty consistent with how they federate and defederate around their ability to moderate everything.

      Idk, I think with federation we have to understand that Hexbear comes with a huge open sign up userbase with controversial opinions. And particularly active commenters compared to the rest of the fediverse. There are some instances we simply are not compatible with.

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        Beehaw are snakes and nothing they say should be trusted, I remember them trying to get people to leave lemmy.ml for their instance with the sole argument being they don’t federate with lemmygrad back in the day when there were like 5 instances. Their main recruitment tactic was to talk about lemmygrad lol. One argument they used to defederate from lemmygrad back then was that we were apparently so big, we filled up their disk space when they opened federation. And then they found out it was actually a bug and log files didn’t get deleted. Took them a few days to actually go into the FTP and look at it lol (and back then lemmy.ml was as big as us anyway). We received neither an apology or an offer to refederate.

        Now they make a ton of donation money and can get additional admins and even community mods. On lemmygrad we have no problem being federated with lib instances like world or ee and we don’t make a single cent in donation to host the website or work on it.

        They’re just typical anti-communists.

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      beehaw was so scared of us they defederated weeks before we enabled federation. iirc it was even before we got on lemmy proper. we are the spectre haunting lemmy.

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      beehaw

      I don’t blame an instance “Aspiring to be(e) a safe, friendly and diverse place” from blocking pig balls, screaming and dunking.