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    I don’t get this. 3rd party will never win. Ever. There are two real options. Vote for the one that offers the best outcome for you. Not doing that is accepting that you are ok with the worst of the two, because you had a chance to keep them out of office and choose not to.

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      I don’t get this. 3rd party will never win. Ever. There are two real options.

      People are voting third party because you believe there are only 2 real options.

      Vote for the one that offers the best outcome for you.

      Gotcha, we should vote for Claudia De La Crúz.

      Not doing that is accepting that you are ok with the worst of the two, because you had a chance to keep them out of office and choose not to.

      Both Trump and Harris are the worst options, that’s why we are going against them.

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        How is voting for her the best option. Literally all she can do is benefit the Republicans by pulling votes from the Dems. Hell, in Georgia they’ve literally ruled that votes for her won’t be counted even though she’s on the ballot.

        Her winning the US Presidential election is less-likely than winning the power all 25 consecutive times by finding the winning ticket on the ground at random truck stops in Malaysia.

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          For a few reasons.

          1. If you have no red line in the sand, then that gives the Dems free reign to do whatever they please.

          2. It helps boost PSL’s platform, which is revolutionary, and therefore important to get new members

          3. If she gets more than 5% of the vote, then PSL gets better ballot access and public funding

          4. It helps delegitimize the electoral system.

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          context matters. you have no idea what state many people live in. I, for example, live in a reliably blue stronghold. harris will win no matter how I vote. so I don’t vote for democrats when when there is a better option on the ballot.

          There is no value in voting for a party that doesn’t support my values/interests. I personally don’t like many of de la cruz’s policies, they are poorly constructed, however I think she likely has a better moral compass and backbone than harris does. I’m giving harris until the end of the week to fix her positions on khan and ideally irsael, but i doubt she will so she wont be getting my vote.

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            I personally don’t like many of de la cruz’s policies, they are poorly constructed

            Which policies do you believe are poorly constructed?

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              literally every single one she listed… she’s certainly not a unifying figure that socialism needs. she isnt dog whistling shes full throat fog horning and poorly.

              The 100 largest corporations in America should be seized from their billionaire owners and turned into public property.

              good luck. that’ll take years and won’t fly for a lot of people. nor will it fix the problem. all its doing is triggering an immediate immune response from the unthinking masses. Nor does it address daily issues working american’s are experiencing. I understand what shes going for, but she doesn’t know how to accomplish it effectively.

              Overthrow the Dictatorship of the Rich — Build a Democracy That Serves the Working Class

              sigh… same problem as above. removing the FBI and NSA will have little to no material impact on working americans.

              End the Rule of Money and Lock Up the Corrupt Elite

              yeah okay. again get what shes going for but non of that can be accomplished without a supportive congress. What to over throw the system? great I’m right there with you. but have an actual workable plan.

              End All U.S. Aid to Apartheid Israel. End the Genocide and Free Palestine & Cut the Military Budget by 90% — Peace, Not War with China & Russia!

              sigh. so completely cripple our economy, and trade one relatively friendly genocidal country for two unfriendly genocidal countries. sounds like a great plan.

              End the war on black america.

              sigh reparations, i get it i really do. but its just another aspect of the race war and sadly black americans are not yet populous enough to pull it off. could just as easily have said ‘build a social safety net to support working americans’

              Defend Women’s rights, full equality for lgbtq people

              again great cause, but lacks the acume to identify the levers to pull to make it a reality.

              Save the planet from capitalism

              sigh. again just isolating herself from many american’s who believe in capitalism.

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                  incorrect, Im a socialist. she just doesn’t know how to be effective at getting the change we all desire; and I doubt she’ll be good as a president. shes hurt and angry and lashing out. she should run locally for a governor position and prove she knows how to develop and build worker run cooperatives before trying her hand at the national stage.

                  the first step is following khan by breaking non-competes, then provide support and resources for worker run organizations.

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                    For clarity, PSL is a Marxist organization, not a Syndicalist or Social Democrat org. As such, she is not individually picking policies based on being “hurt and angry,” but Marxist analysis along party lines. The goal of Marxism isn’t worker cooperatives, more on that in the article Cooperative Property Is Not Socialist (bad title, the point is that cooperatives are not Marxist).

                    Additionally, PSL is a revolutionary org (again, it’s Marxist), it isn’t trying to reform the system, but overthrow it entirely.