That was probably me. I realise that I overreacted or hyperbolised it, and that some of my sentiment was probably just a wider anti-anime sentiment. I came down too heavy on one side and had a puritanical take.
However, looking at the images once more, and some of the images posted in this thread (by the same artist) and people’s reactions to them - is it really that puritanical to suggest that the artist intended them to be sexually attractive?
was that a struggle session or what? 4 months later we still got some coals glowing! good times
but like nobody disagreed with that, just the idea it deserved to be called ‘horny’ and the idea similar content shouldn’t be allowed. which might not have been your actual suggestion, but on a forum with lots of rules about horny-posting & nsfw stuff applying a label like ‘horny’ will get people defensive if it’s something they consider acceptable. and why it got so passionate is i think a lot of people would see themselves in the [extremely broad] context of looking good + posing, so saying/implying that wouldn’t fly here (though no-one should post personal photos here) provokes a hard reaction.
also no one disagrees that a reddit-tier comment ad-libbing a sexual fantasy about some person depicted on a post would be unacceptable either, the disagreement there was blaming that on the OP—because gross stuff like that can happen in a perfectly sanitized post about something a nasty person finds hot
Yeah, that’s true. I would agree that calling to ban it was what made it such an incendiary issue.
I see what you mean on the second part, but to anyone who feels that way, I’ll clarify that in my opinion, by nature of being drawn from imagination means there’s an added implication of a voyeuristic relationship to the viewer, that they’ve been created for the viewer? I don’t know, that wording sounds too harsh for what I mean.
I think if the image was of real people it wouldn’t have the same implications. It would just be humans posing for a fun picture. They’d look and feel human rather than as a stylised and accentuated version of a human created for consumption.
Consumption by backwater internet forums too, I’d imagine. That has its own set of implications, which relate more to your last point about how it’s not really the artists fault. Again, I mostly agree, but the artists general output of content does cater to a certain audience.
I always take the bait. I don’t want to relitigate this, but just so my stance is clear, that came from me speaking carelessly and the radlib pricks here exaggerating my claim. Here is the claim, which I have no interest in persuading anyone on, but just so you can make fun of me accurately (by means other than replying to this comment).
If you are doing personification of countries, you generally are either using common features or those of the leaders of the country. The most common hair color in Russia is brown (it’s blonde in a handful of other countries, like Finland). To make your waifu blonde (with blue eyes and white skin, though those features are appropriate) in contradiction to the general logic of the representation for seemingly no reason other than aesthetic preference is an artifact of the racial ideology privileging “Aryans”. I have no stance on the author’s personal politics and frankly don’t care.
Elsewhere a user shared her portrait of Western Bloc states and having the US be blonde makes sense there to represent a white supremacist state that is obsessed with blondes and has young white women dying their hair blonde left and right.
If a Finland waifu was included, it would make the most sense for her to be blonde, but having Russia be blonde is like having China be Tibetan. China does have Tibetans, but they are clearly not the majority politically or by population.
Also obviously the work is objectifying and gross and laundering that through “oh, the artist is lesbian, are you attacking a lesbian’s sexual expression?” is deeply reactionary radlib bullshit to score points and not question your assumptions about media. Since radlibs can do nothing but identity-based laundering of their personal preferences, I will mention that one of my best friends is a lesbian and she also thinks that this is objectifying and gross. She says this because it obviously is and anyone denying it is engaged in motivated reasoning to a pathetic degree.
None of this is to persuade you (the “you” used here was general, not specifically you, bagend). If you disagree with any of what I wrote, then that thing I wrote is wrong. If someone is curious about media criticism I can explain more, but I mostly just hate myself being made fun of for things that don’t represent my stance. Fire away, just elsewhere in the thread and without tagging me so I’m not here all day.
I hope not. I’ll go block the radlib who is the biggest problem in that respect, now that you mention it. There is nothing to be gained from interacting with that user’s bullshit if said bullshit does end up getting turned on me again.
Not quite the original thread, but it’s the post that went up to say that the original post was in poor taste, which is the mark of any good struggle session anyway.
It can be hard to find stuff around here because The Creator likes to do a lot of deleting.
Oh god not again
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oh that poster was hilarious! also all the yelling about how the art was ‘horny’ or ‘suggestive’
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And political!
Political porn is my favourite!
I mean, the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of ass struggles.
There is no war but ass war
That was probably me. I realise that I overreacted or hyperbolised it, and that some of my sentiment was probably just a wider anti-anime sentiment. I came down too heavy on one side and had a puritanical take.
However, looking at the images once more, and some of the images posted in this thread (by the same artist) and people’s reactions to them - is it really that puritanical to suggest that the artist intended them to be sexually attractive?
was that a struggle session or what? 4 months later we still got some coals glowing! good times
but like nobody disagreed with that, just the idea it deserved to be called ‘horny’ and the idea similar content shouldn’t be allowed. which might not have been your actual suggestion, but on a forum with lots of rules about horny-posting & nsfw stuff applying a label like ‘horny’ will get people defensive if it’s something they consider acceptable. and why it got so passionate is i think a lot of people would see themselves in the [extremely broad] context of looking good + posing, so saying/implying that wouldn’t fly here (though no-one should post personal photos here) provokes a hard reaction.
also no one disagrees that a reddit-tier comment ad-libbing a sexual fantasy about some person depicted on a post would be unacceptable either, the disagreement there was blaming that on the OP—because gross stuff like that can happen in a perfectly sanitized post about something a nasty person finds hot
Yeah, that’s true. I would agree that calling to ban it was what made it such an incendiary issue.
I see what you mean on the second part, but to anyone who feels that way, I’ll clarify that in my opinion, by nature of being drawn from imagination means there’s an added implication of a voyeuristic relationship to the viewer, that they’ve been created for the viewer? I don’t know, that wording sounds too harsh for what I mean. I think if the image was of real people it wouldn’t have the same implications. It would just be humans posing for a fun picture. They’d look and feel human rather than as a stylised and accentuated version of a human created for consumption.
Consumption by backwater internet forums too, I’d imagine. That has its own set of implications, which relate more to your last point about how it’s not really the artists fault. Again, I mostly agree, but the artists general output of content does cater to a certain audience.
i just dont like it because the drawings are shitty and getting excited over brics in this way is weird and feels very white
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i was born in the wrong decade, i absolutely would have been besties with marx and engels gggg
Oh my god, you still remember that? yes and that illustration is supposed to be a pornographic image, don’t forget it as well.
I always take the bait. I don’t want to relitigate this, but just so my stance is clear, that came from me speaking carelessly and the radlib pricks here exaggerating my claim. Here is the claim, which I have no interest in persuading anyone on, but just so you can make fun of me accurately (by means other than replying to this comment).
If you are doing personification of countries, you generally are either using common features or those of the leaders of the country. The most common hair color in Russia is brown (it’s blonde in a handful of other countries, like Finland). To make your waifu blonde (with blue eyes and white skin, though those features are appropriate) in contradiction to the general logic of the representation for seemingly no reason other than aesthetic preference is an artifact of the racial ideology privileging “Aryans”. I have no stance on the author’s personal politics and frankly don’t care.
Elsewhere a user shared her portrait of Western Bloc states and having the US be blonde makes sense there to represent a white supremacist state that is obsessed with blondes and has young white women dying their hair blonde left and right.
If a Finland waifu was included, it would make the most sense for her to be blonde, but having Russia be blonde is like having China be Tibetan. China does have Tibetans, but they are clearly not the majority politically or by population.
Also obviously the work is objectifying and gross and laundering that through “oh, the artist is lesbian, are you attacking a lesbian’s sexual expression?” is deeply reactionary radlib bullshit to score points and not question your assumptions about media. Since radlibs can do nothing but identity-based laundering of their personal preferences, I will mention that one of my best friends is a lesbian and she also thinks that this is objectifying and gross. She says this because it obviously is and anyone denying it is engaged in motivated reasoning to a pathetic degree.
None of this is to persuade you (the “you” used here was general, not specifically you, bagend). If you disagree with any of what I wrote, then that thing I wrote is wrong. If someone is curious about media criticism I can explain more, but I mostly just hate myself being made fun of for things that don’t represent my stance. Fire away, just elsewhere in the thread and without tagging me so I’m not here all day.
Are you really relitigating a struggle session you were a part of on a Saturday?
I hope not. I’ll go block the radlib who is the biggest problem in that respect, now that you mention it. There is nothing to be gained from interacting with that user’s bullshit if said bullshit does end up getting turned on me again.
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https://hexbear.net/post/263190
Not quite the original thread, but it’s the post that went up to say that the original post was in poor taste, which is the mark of any good struggle session anyway.
It can be hard to find stuff around here because The Creator likes to do a lot of deleting.
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I’m sad I dismissed this as a weird objectifying post by some weeb and am sad I missed out on the fun.