Internal data from the ABC show the harmful content moderators are exposed to weekly, sometimes even daily. But the organisation’s response is one many others can learn from.
I detest moderators, I do not trust them, I do not want them skewing my reality, get out GET OUT, I don’t want your help, I don’t want you, I don’t like you I rather wade through a terabyte of spam and cheese pizza than tolerate you silently altering my worldview one more fucking time.
It’s literally crazy to say something like this on Lemmy of all places.
Don’t like moderators? Fine, try to host your own instance and your own communities. You’ll find quickly that it turns to shit because it’s actually pretty hard to do well.
Don’t like moderators? Fine, try to host your own instance and your own communities. You’ll find quickly that it turns to shit because it’s actually pretty hard to do well.
Not really. You’ll just always have to deal with people who hate you because they wanna break the rules and hate facing the consequences. That isn’t hard. It’s just annoying.
It especially wouldn’t be hard if you hate “censorship” and let everyone just say whatever they want, even if they’re bigoted pieces of shit and posting CSAM. You literally just do nothing. Doing nothing is easy!
I miss when signal-to-noise ratio was common parlance of the Internet.
Making usable spaces is tough work, but having worthwhile content drowned in an ocean of noise is seemingly the default of corporate controlled media anymore, so much have they abandoned paying attention to what they publish. That you don’t know who is editorializing and moderating the places you frequent and have opinions on the job they’re doing says to me that you’re not doing the work that being media literate requires, which is all the more important when so much of it is generated content with no consideration given to reality.
Generating signal is moderating noise. The first moderator of any message is the person converting ideas into language. Understanding the interplay of how messages get moderated by the various layers they pass through is what media literacy is.
I can see why a moderator would confuse themselves with the signal. And more overbearing they are more the supposed signal that remain will have been overwritten by them, if not entirely fabricated.
Moderators discriminate what they believe is signal from what believe is noise.
Noise is whatever doesn’t fit inside their belief structure of what constitute signal.
This has been abused to no end, even before the internet by all manners of gatekeepers.
Unfortunately unless you are a tiny niche community that isn’t ever targeted by spam or idiots (and how common is that really), moderators are a necessary evil. You probably don’t hate moderators. You probably hate bad/aggressive/biased/etc moderators. Or maybe sometimes you are the problem, I don’t know. It is not a problem with an easy solution. Usually large forums with no moderation become quickly unbearable to most people. And then moderators become in turn unbearable to some people.
Maybe a trusted AI can do a better job at this - like give it the community rules and ask it to enforce them objectively, transparently, and dispassionately, unless a certain number of participants complain, in which case it can reverse its decision and learn from that.
I must always have the last word on my local filtering. The raw feed must be available to all.
Filtering and discovery algorithm, offline, on device, private, transparent and easily auditable.
All Moderators Are Bad, That’s the null hypothesis.
They do not get the benefit of the doubt, it was always laughable to think they wouldn’t immediately abuse their position to shape and manipulate the public with their power while constantly acting like the victims.
No more !
This power should never have been allowed to hide in the shadows and concentrate in so few unaccountable individuals.
I somewhat agree, but I do think there needs to be some form of moderation.
I’m interested in individual-directed moderation, where you can pick your own moderators and have your feed be altered based on how people you trust have moderated content. My issue with moderators isn’t moderation itself, but with biases that I disagree with. If I could swap the moderators of my favorite communities, I think I would have a better overall experience.
Yup, that’s my dream too. I’ve started working on something like that, but it’s far from production quality. I hope someone beats me to it, because I haven’t been making near enough progress.
I agree. I wish there was a way that moderating existed but you could have the option to see what is being moderated. Fuck I’d even pay premium for that type of elevated privilege option.
It’s annoying to find something in the mod log. I’ve looked for my own removed posts (I pissed off a mod without actually breaking any rules, and they temp banned me), and it was a lot more effort than necessary.
What I’d really like is to see all of the removed content, and selectively have content removed by people I trust instead of the actual moderation team.
I do kinda prefer that idea, or rather, I’ve considered something similar from the perspective of positive ratings. I’d like a way to prioritize content by heavily weighting upvotes from people who I’ve liked interacting with.
I had the same feeling when I saw that, it’s good to have it available. One caveat is I think the instance admins can mess with the database to hide things, but my understanding is a typical mod cannot.
I detest moderators, I do not trust them, I do not want them skewing my reality, get out GET OUT, I don’t want your help, I don’t want you, I don’t like you I rather wade through a terabyte of spam and cheese pizza than tolerate you silently altering my worldview one more fucking time.
It’s literally crazy to say something like this on Lemmy of all places.
Don’t like moderators? Fine, try to host your own instance and your own communities. You’ll find quickly that it turns to shit because it’s actually pretty hard to do well.
Not really. You’ll just always have to deal with people who hate you because they wanna break the rules and hate facing the consequences. That isn’t hard. It’s just annoying.
It especially wouldn’t be hard if you hate “censorship” and let everyone just say whatever they want, even if they’re bigoted pieces of shit and posting CSAM. You literally just do nothing. Doing nothing is easy!
Don’t care, hard disagree, I rather complete chaos than a boot on my throat.
I can handle chaos just fine.
It’s my decision, moderation should only ever be an optional subscription service rather than a jackbooted imposition.
Then go to 4chan or some other lawless place, what are you doing here?
Funnily enough, 4chan is quite actively moderated
On .ml of all instances lol
I miss when signal-to-noise ratio was common parlance of the Internet.
Making usable spaces is tough work, but having worthwhile content drowned in an ocean of noise is seemingly the default of corporate controlled media anymore, so much have they abandoned paying attention to what they publish. That you don’t know who is editorializing and moderating the places you frequent and have opinions on the job they’re doing says to me that you’re not doing the work that being media literate requires, which is all the more important when so much of it is generated content with no consideration given to reality.
Give me noise all day long, I can’t pull signal that got squelched out.
Moderation must be a subscription.
Raw feed or die.
Signal is moderation.
Generating signal is moderating noise. The first moderator of any message is the person converting ideas into language. Understanding the interplay of how messages get moderated by the various layers they pass through is what media literacy is.
I can see why a moderator would confuse themselves with the signal. And more overbearing they are more the supposed signal that remain will have been overwritten by them, if not entirely fabricated.
Moderators discriminate what they believe is signal from what believe is noise.
Noise is whatever doesn’t fit inside their belief structure of what constitute signal.
This has been abused to no end, even before the internet by all manners of gatekeepers.
Unfortunately unless you are a tiny niche community that isn’t ever targeted by spam or idiots (and how common is that really), moderators are a necessary evil. You probably don’t hate moderators. You probably hate bad/aggressive/biased/etc moderators. Or maybe sometimes you are the problem, I don’t know. It is not a problem with an easy solution. Usually large forums with no moderation become quickly unbearable to most people. And then moderators become in turn unbearable to some people.
Maybe a trusted AI can do a better job at this - like give it the community rules and ask it to enforce them objectively, transparently, and dispassionately, unless a certain number of participants complain, in which case it can reverse its decision and learn from that.
I must always have the last word on my local filtering. The raw feed must be available to all.
Filtering and discovery algorithm, offline, on device, private, transparent and easily auditable.
All Moderators Are Bad, That’s the null hypothesis.
They do not get the benefit of the doubt, it was always laughable to think they wouldn’t immediately abuse their position to shape and manipulate the public with their power while constantly acting like the victims.
No more !
This power should never have been allowed to hide in the shadows and concentrate in so few unaccountable individuals.
The jannies make me sick !
I somewhat agree, but I do think there needs to be some form of moderation.
I’m interested in individual-directed moderation, where you can pick your own moderators and have your feed be altered based on how people you trust have moderated content. My issue with moderators isn’t moderation itself, but with biases that I disagree with. If I could swap the moderators of my favorite communities, I think I would have a better overall experience.
Yes, moderation filtering as a subscription service.
Crowd sourced moderation.
Raw feed always available on my device, I get the last word at all time on my moderation filters and content discovery algorithm,
offline, on device and nobody else ever knows what my choices are.
That’s the absolute bare minimum that I would find tolerable.
Yup, that’s my dream too. I’ve started working on something like that, but it’s far from production quality. I hope someone beats me to it, because I haven’t been making near enough progress.
Insert family guy meme when he walks out of the stem cell clinic, “why aren’t we funding this?!?!”
As I said in my higher comment, I’d pay for this type of elevated privlege option to see what is being moderated.
I agree. I wish there was a way that moderating existed but you could have the option to see what is being moderated. Fuck I’d even pay premium for that type of elevated privilege option.
A lot of the removed content appears on instances’ mod logs, is that not meeting what you want?
It’s annoying to find something in the mod log. I’ve looked for my own removed posts (I pissed off a mod without actually breaking any rules, and they temp banned me), and it was a lot more effort than necessary.
What I’d really like is to see all of the removed content, and selectively have content removed by people I trust instead of the actual moderation team.
I do kinda prefer that idea, or rather, I’ve considered something similar from the perspective of positive ratings. I’d like a way to prioritize content by heavily weighting upvotes from people who I’ve liked interacting with.
I’m learning new lemmy shit daily still, like this exactly. I’ve been here for prolly a year-ish now and love how there is still shit to learn.
I had the same feeling when I saw that, it’s good to have it available. One caveat is I think the instance admins can mess with the database to hide things, but my understanding is a typical mod cannot.