• CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I think it’s subjective, but this quote seems to align with my perspective:

    Generally, the left wing is characterized by an emphasis on “ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism” while the right wing is characterized by an emphasis on “notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism”

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        Okay, so I see what you’re saying, but from my perspective this would be like saying someone openly gay can’t be right leaning.

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          that would have to also necessarily imply that being gay is a choice, similarly to landlording, and that you have no choice but to be a landlord regardless of your political beliefs

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          being gay doesn’t say anything about personal beliefs or political alignment. it’s just one personal feature that might or might not influence your political thinking. people in privileged possitions tend to lean right because they tend to benefit from the current system regardless if they are part of a generally opressed minority

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              not really - you can be gay and own a major corporation, which necessarily moves you rightward. these personal identity markers are subsumed by material interests and therefore class. it’s, for example, why so many white, wealthy gay people are significantly to the right of where they were 40 years ago - cf Peter Thiel. when the state was turned against their existence they were nominally left and as that violence abated, class interests dominated. it’s also why so many trans people are communists right now - the state is trying to murder us.

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                you can be [openly] gay and own a major corporation, which necessarily moves you rightward.

                Exactly. And you can be openly gay and a white supremacist, and you can be openly gay and pro-gun, you can be openly gay and a Christian nationalist.

                You can be an openly gay, white supremacist, pro-gun, Christian nationalist. You could have 99.99% republican values, but spend your weekends furthering LGBTQ rights. The class structures that subsume indenty aren’t as stringent as you present them to be.

                Like without even looking it up I bet there are trans Republican groups, do you disagree?

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                  Generally you would not expect a gay Republican to be very proactive in furthering gay rights (Dems don’t either most of the time, but w/e). They would spend their time role-playing as “one of the good ones” and get accused of being a subversive is they actually collaborated with queer groups that were anything but “Gays for Trump” type PR campaigns.

                  This is not just hypothetical, we can see many people of different minority identities who support horrible reaction and only use that identity as a shield from left criticism. Milo Yianopolos (forgot the spelling) publically gave lectures on how lesbians “don’t exist” and “need a good d***ing” and defended pedophilia, but never seemed that interested in actually furthering rights even for relations between gay men. Candace Owens famously defended Hitler’s domestic policy in public and speaks on black issues mainly to launder conservative talking points using her identity.

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                You think believing someone can be openly gay and Republican is homophobic?

                Or maybe you just don’t like the political implications of what I’m saying, and how that effects the practicality of your ideology.

                Replace ‘openly gay’ with 'supports universal healthcare. Better?

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                  Replace ‘openly gay’ with 'supports universal healthcare. Better?

                  Uhhh, yeah I’m sure people who support universal healthcare have that hardwired into their brain from childhood. Totally the same thing.

                  it’s totally not a conclusion based on analysis of material conditions.

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                    Uhhh, yeah I’m sure people who support universal healthcare have that hardwired into their brain from childhood. Totally the same thing.

                    Ugh… I’m kind of tired of clarifying this. I didn’t say ‘gay’ I said ‘openly gay’, keyword ‘openly’, you understand the distinction do you not?

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      The left/right distinction is to determine if something is pro or anti capitalism. If you like capitalism or think it can be “reformed” then you are right wing. If you want to see capitalism destroyed, then you are left wing.

      The 2 main classes of people under capitalism are the proletariat (working class, 99%, people who make a living by performing labor and receiving a wage), and the capitalists (bourgeois, ownership class, 1%, people who make a living by owning shit). Landlords are firmly in the capitalist class, which means their entire livelihood is based around capitalism continuing to exist in it’s current form. It’s nearly impossible for a landlord to be left wing because it goes against their own self interest. I guess class traitors exist, but I doubt the person in question is one since they’re trying so hard to downplay being a landlord.

      TL;DR: porky-scared-flipped stalin-gun-1 mao-shining

      • CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        The left/right distinction is to determine if something is pro or anti capitalism. If you like capitalism or think it can be “reformed” then you are right wing. If you want to see capitalism destroyed, then you are left wing.

        I don’t agree.

        From what I see there’s a strong effort to redefine terms like left and right to shame people into adjusting their values.

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              Hey liberal, I see you’re running afoul of our “Post”-based posting rules here. If you’d like I can explain them so fewer of your comments are removed.

              Also, just because liberal hegemony brutally suppressed the left in the west for the last ~150 years (including the present day) doesn’t mean that liberalism magically became left wing as a result. Liberalism hasn’t been left-wing since the mid-19th century. So now it’s our turn to ask you, sorry what year is it again?

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                Sorry I’m an anarchist and don’t respect your rules, I’m not going to adapt or adjust the way I speak to appease some moderator with a control complex.

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                  I don’t think you know what that term means. also, my meaning of left connects me with historical movements while yours infinitely atomizes. which meaning is more useful?

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                    I don’t think you know what that term means.

                    Or is that just want you want me to think!?!

                    also, my meaning of left connects me with historical movements while yours infinitely atomizes. which meaning is more useful?

                    I think trying to grade political ideology on a left/right axis doesn’t really make a ton of sense, and really only servers to muddy the waters, and create a sense of consensus that isn’t really there.

                    What’s the significance of feeling connected to historical movements?