Ugh these people suck so bad. On average, western leftists are worse than useless. Some bullet points are kinda interesting, even if annoying.

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      Do you take any negative reception to your comments as proof of whatever point you are trying to make? If you have a criticism to make in a public forum, shouldn’t you reasonably expect a response that might likewise be critical?

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        Well, if I walk into a room full of maga and point out that they are behaving like maga and they go off on me, should I take their negative reception seriously?

        The article was spot on, and continues to be. I think it’s a little funny that more lemmy ‘communists’ don’t just own up to it.

        I guess my view of communism is different. However, this is the internet after all. Everyone is kind of a dick.

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          Should the people you’ve gone out of your way to antagonize take you seriously if you actively refuse to even articulate a criticism (even when directly invited to multiple times) and just post vague smug shit?

          And look, for all the whining about “dog-piling” and “swarming” that people make about our instance, you can have replies to your comments, or you can have downvotes where nobody expresses an actual criticism and nobody gains anything.

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              We literally do not have downvotes, hence all the replies trying to get somebody to make an actual point.

              How can people have this sort of smug self-confidence in their beliefs if they cannot articulate a single point even when directly invited to do so? Literally one of you just make a point and then give a “why”. Preferably make the “why” better than “because I received any negative reception for my vague but obviously antagonistic comment.”

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                The article has a bunch of bullets. Pick one. Spot on. My point is the article was right. I mean, just own it. Chasing people away from communism is pretty much all lemmy communists do lol.

                And, what I meant is I use voyager as my client, and it allows me to hide the voting thing. So… it’s just missing. I wouldn’t know if you had or did not have it. You mentioned it. 🤷‍♂️

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                  Multiple comments have gone through bulletin points and explained why they’re wrong. If you can’t engage with specific criticism then don’t defend the article?

                  And if you say seriously engaging with criticism will get you a ton of dismissive replies, this is actually what willfully ignoring it will do, and has done.

                  You have no idea what communism is. I am 100% certain of that.

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                  You pick one! Jesus Christ it was your post in the first place that lead to this whole comment chain! You can’t even pick your own goddamn bullet point? You have got to be fucking with me dawg!

                  Holy fuck seriously, what orgs are you a part of so I know not to have anything to fucking do with them, then you can talk about “chasing people away from communism.”

                  Hell, try elaborating that point even. How do you think we are chasing people from communism? Are our shit-posts just too shitty?

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                    Just stop shit-posting and dunking entirely and focus on promoting the positive parts of communities with equality in a more strategic way to effect measurable change.

                    Communism is grounded in compassion, in the idea of working toward a truly liberated society, not one that merely replaces the oppressors of yesterday with new oppressors today. And yet, when I look at many so-called leftists, I see them betraying that principle every day, more interested in ideological purity or geopolitical “victories” than in standing for justice. They might claim they’re against fascism, but when they excuse brutality and silence in the name of their ideology, I see little difference between them and the right-wing authoritarians they claim to despise.

                    Maybe I’m just a soft dick.

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                  The article has a bunch of bullets. Pick one. Spot on

                  Okay, so, you are saying that you know for a fact that communist orgs ‘hyperfocus on bureaucracy’. Which orgs have you been to to know that, I wonder?

                  Sounds suspiciously as if this is just a vibes-based analysis for you, and that you think that this article painting a picture that coincides worth what you have been told by the people who invaded Iraq and other countries.

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      Is this the first time you come to any forum and start pissing and shitting all over the place?

      Try to mildly criticize western anarchists or liberals and I guarantee that you will get dogpiled immediately.

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          Well, firstly, you need to check your eyesight, because at the very least I am not a westerner.

          Secondly, in case you couldn’t understand a sentence worth of text, I suggested you go to a western anarchist or liberal forum and try to antagonise them. You will get swarmed and dogpiled right that instant.