• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldOP
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    2 months ago

    And so what if they do? Nobody is throwing you in jail for selecting the “wrong” box.

    Oh, so you can be whatever gender you want? We agree.

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      2 months ago

      Yea, you can put down whatever you want on government forms. That’s no mystery. Whether people at large accept you as that what you claim is on them. The government isn’t an arbiter of reality any more than you are.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldOP
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        2 months ago

        Now you’re admitting that gender is a subjective thing based on societal norms. Which is the point.

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          2 months ago

          Yea, but sex isn’t. And the way it’s done now is that gender is invoked as identical to sex when it’s beneficial and rebuked when it’s not.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldOP
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            2 months ago

            We are talking about gender here. Gender is only identical with sex if the person so chooses to identify that way. If you think that’s “the way it’s done now,” you have been listening to too much conservative media.

            The fact that you don’t understand all of this does not speak well of you.

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              2 months ago

              We’re talking about both. Gender was traditionally identical to sex and this issue didn’t come up much till relatively recently. Outliers, like people born with both sets of organs, were just that. To be consistent with this philosophy, race must also now be done as “whoever identifies as such”. After all, it’s just as much of a societal construct.

              • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldOP
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                2 months ago

                You are talking about both.

                Anyone who understands the subject understand that gender and sex are completely different.

                Which is why there are multiple societies with more than two genders.

                https://www.britannica.com/list/6-cultures-that-recognize-more-than-two-genders

                Again, your archaic Anglo/Eurocentric, heteronormative idea of how the way things are supposed to be is not how the world works on an objective level.

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                  1 month ago

                  Something from within the last few decades isn’t really archaic, that is generally reserved for (well?) over a hundred years old or older, and the vast majority of Lemmy users are either North American or European. Anglo/Eurocentric is going to be the relative norm on social media in general outside of specific apps, and those then trend East/South East Asiacentric due to their development origin. You should not be surprised to encounter this.

                  Heteronormative will also currently still trend as a default since over 80% of the population identifies as such. Intersex is also somewhere around or under 1% of the population. While gender and sex can most certainly be different, at least currently the supermajority of people will have these aligned and will use them interchangeably. This shouldn’t invalidate or be used to discriminate against those that aren’t heteronormative by any means, but something that is true 80-90% of the time falls within the colloquial or layman’s qualifications for a broad assumption of “how the world works”.

                  The fact that intersex people get to decide their primary sex (or more likely had a doctor decide for them at birth) on government forms is somewhat analogous to 3 wheeled motor vehicles that can be registered as either a car or a motorcycle depending on the State and/or county. This does not invalidate car or motorcycle as categories, nor does it invalidate andly other means of transport.

                  • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldOP
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                    1 month ago

                    Something from within the last few decades isn’t really archaic,

                    I did not read past this. You clearly did not read my link. Come back when you read it since it talks about cultures going back thousands of years.