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The original was posted on /r/bestofredditorupdates by /u/Choice_Evidence1983 on 2024-11-18 05:01:05+00:00.
I am NOT OOP, OOP is u/Impressive-Series117
Originally posted to r/AITAH
How can someone who isnât invited to a wedding be considered responsible for giving a gift?
Trigger Warnings: entitlement
Original Post: November 11, 2024
I would appreciate any advice or suggestions on how to approach this situation. Iâll change the names of those involved.
I have a group of friends, though not all of them are truly close to me. Most of them are more friends by association, but we all go out together and have a good time. I do consider Mady and Jessy to be real friends. For Madyâs birthday, I got her a cake. Jessy had a small civil wedding, and Mady offered to bring wine for the celebration at her place, while I offered to bring a cake.
Thereâs a girl in the group named Carly, and my relationship with her is neither friendly nor unfriendly. Sheâs always shown some apathy towards me, and I know she doesnât really like me. I donât dislike her, but I get the sense we wouldnât be friends since we have different perspectives.
During the celebration, Carly commented that she liked the cake, and Jessy mentioned that I had brought it. Carly said it was good but that it tasted âa bit dry.â Everyone exchanged looks and changed the subject, but Carly kept talking about the cake. I didnât say anything about it.
Carly had been planning her wedding before Jessy got married. She used to invite Mady, Jessy, and other girls to discuss prices and ask for opinions on things, but she never asked me for my help or advice. I had assumed I wasnât going to be invited. Everyone else got an invitation, and I wasnât surprised when I didnât receive one. Jessy wanted to talk to Carly about it, but I asked her not to, as I didnât want a pity invitation and understood that Carly wouldnât invite me because weâre not âfriends.â Jessy told me she wouldnât attend if it would make me feel bad, but I told her not to worry about it.
Then, Carly messaged me on WhatsApp to ask about cake designs and filling options. I thought she already had that figured out since her wedding was coming up and sheâd been planning it for a while. I sent her the catalog, and she commented on a few options she liked. She asked if I did the setup, to which I replied yes, and sent her some example photos. She only reacted to the photos with a thumbs-up, and we didnât talk any further. She didnât ask for a quote or schedule a consultation, so I assumed she wasnât interested in my service. This was over a month ago.
Today, we went out to eat, and everyone was talking about the wedding. Her fiancĂ© asked who Iâd be bringing (Iâm single), so I told him I wouldnât be attending. He asked why, and to keep the mood light and avoid drama, I mentioned Iâd be traveling to visit my parents. He understood, but Carly asked me when I was leaving. I told her Iâd be leaving on Wednesday, and she said, âThe weddingâs on Saturday; how are you going to set up the cake and desserts?â I asked which cake she was referring to, and she replied, âThe one youâre bringing to my wedding.â I told her we didnât have anything scheduled, and she insisted she had our messages. I clarified that I had only given her options and setup photos, and since she didnât follow up, I assumed she wasnât interested.
Her fiancé asked if anything could be done about it. I explained that the bakery requires a contract and a deposit.
Mady asked if Carly had paid a deposit or requested a contract.
Carly replied, asking why she would need to, since it was my wedding gift to her and that I should make sure she had her cake for Saturday.
I explained that I donât handle the bakeryâs schedule and that, with the wedding so close, they wouldnât accept a new order. Carly seemed upset and looked very uncomfortable. I asked for my bill, paid, and said goodbye, saying I needed to go.
I really donât want to lose my friendship with the group since Iâm not from this city and Iâve felt comfortable with them. I donât want this to create tension, but I also donât know how to handle conflicts. I know itâs a bit sad that I canât stand up for myself and would rather avoid confrontation.
Mady told me that after I left, Carly said it wasnât fair for me to back out after agreeing, and some people in the group hinted that maybe I didnât want to go to the wedding because I didnât want to give her the cake. Jessy said I wasnât invited, and Carly replied that she had invited me.
AITAH has no consensus bot, OOP was NTA
Relevant Comments
Commenter 1: Itâs not okay for her to expect a gift, especially a big cake, from someone she didnât even invite to her wedding. You were right to tell her you hadnât agreed to make the cake. It makes sense that you wouldnât want to give something so big to someone who doesnât seem to like you very much.
OOP: And especially for me to give her that gift when we donât even have a relationship.
Commenter 2: It sounds like Carly is trying to control the narrative do it might be best to explain things to your groupâincluding copies of your correspondence. Otherwise you might lose a few friends who are listening to Carly. Maybe even let her fiancĂ© know.
OOP: Yes, they are really more friends. Iâve been dealing with them for 2 years, and they are high school friends.
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Update: November 11, 2024 (same day, 16 hours later)
I read a comment that this is how updates are done here. I hope those who gave me advice and asked for an update can see this.
To those who asked why I didnât stand up for myself and let things get so out of hand, as I mentioned before, I donât like confronting people. I get nervous, feel like I canât breathe; when I had presentations in school, I used to throw up before and after each one. Sometimes, Iâve even kept items I didnât order or didnât want just because I was too embarrassed to exchange them. Iâve been in therapy, and thanks to that, Iâm now able to work as a cashier in a bakery; I donât think I could have done that before. Iâve come a long way, but I still get nervous speaking in public. I have a younger sister, and she used to go everywhere with me. Iâd give her the money, and she would pay because just talking to the cashier would leave me breathless. I know people often feel sorry for those who seem weak, and I donât want to be seen that way or treated condescendingly.
Someone sent me a private message asking our ages:
âą Iâm 21
âą Mady is 30
âą Carly is 30
âą Anna is 31
âą Carlyâs fiancĂ© is 31
âą Jessy is 30
I hope that helps clarify a bit more. Now, hereâs what happened next:
Someone suggested what I could say to Carly, and I sent it to her. She replied saying she thought I wouldnât mind and that I owed her a gift anyway, and sheâd chosen the cake as her gift.
I replied that only guests are responsible for giving gifts. She asked what I meant, and I clarified that she hadnât invited me to the wedding. She left me on read.
I messaged her fiancĂ© something like: âI donât want to cause drama or any misunderstandings, but I didnât commit to giving her the wedding cake.â I sent him screenshots of our conversation, and he called me right away.
He apologized and said he thought it was odd when Carly told him I had offered to give her the cake. I mentioned it seemed even stranger to me since I wasnât even invited. He asked if I was serious, and I told him yes, but that I wasnât upset and understood if it was something private. He apologized again, and we ended the call.
Around noon, Carly messaged me saying I was making a fuss over nothing, as if I couldnât just âgive her the damn cake.â She didnât understand why I was being so sensitive, saying Iâd given Mady a cake and Jessy one as well, and asked me to explain why I couldnât do the same for her.
I replied that Madyâs cake was a birthday cake and, although Jessyâs was for her wedding, it wasnât a wedding cake.
Carly answered that it didnât matter what the cake was for. I told her if that was the case, she could buy one from the supermarket. She started typing, but I blocked her before the message came through.
Then, Carly sent a message to the group with only the part where I told her to buy it at the supermarket, saying it was insulting and showed how little I valued her wedding, so no one could say she was the bad one.
I responded to the group with a suggestion someone gave me in a comment, which I adapted a bit: âHey everyone. I want to clear up some confusion and rumors. I wonât be attending the wedding because I didnât receive an invitation. I understood and made other plans for that time since the rest of you were invited. Iâm not hurt or upset; it is what it is. The confusion about the cake is as baffling to me as it is to you. I only provided information on models and fillings from the place where I work, and thatâs all. I donât understand why itâs expected that I cover a cake for a wedding Iâm not invited to. Itâs true I suggested the supermarket, as she said the purpose of the cake didnât matter.
I hope this clears everything up. I wish you all a wonderful time celebrating Carly and her fiancĂ©. Congratulations in advance to the happy couple, and I hope those not involved donât feel caught in the mâŠ
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Lol carly is dumb as a brick. Her finances is probably reconsidering some things right now. Seems like she is bullying a much younger person.
Seriously sheâs planning a wedding - does a thumbs up emoji constitute a contract with all of her other vendors? Has she done that with her florist, decorator, the venue etc?
The only thing I can think of is when Carly was told OOP brought that cake to the other wedding, was it never explained that she is a cashier at the bakery and couldnât just whip one up at home for funsies at a moments notice?
I hope this clears everything up. I wish you all a wonderful time celebrating Carly and her fiancĂ©. Congratulations in advance to the happy couple, and I hope those not involved donât feel caught in the middle.â
I posted screenshots where she reacted with a thumbs-up when I sent the samples, along with all the conversations from that day and today. After a while, someone commented that the group wasnât meant for this kind of drama and that we should resolve it privately. Mady jumped in and said, âCarly demanded the cake in public, so itâs only fair that everything is explained publicly.â
Another girl, letâs call her Anna, commented thatâs not the way to ask for a gift.
Carly saw everything and sent a voice note saying she didnât know a simple cake would ruin my finances but that it was fine and that I shouldnât have shared everything in the chat. Then, she sent a second message saying that when I get married and donât have âfriendsâ who can help me out with things from their jobs, Iâll understand what itâs like to be without support.
A guy replied tagging her, âYou didnât invite her?â
Carly responded saying she had sent the invitation.
Another guy asked, âDo you have the confirmation?â
There was no reply.
â???â
Carly: âNo, but she should have told me when she saw she didnât get the invite.â
Jessy replied that she didnât like Carlyâs attitude, that she even considered not going and would only attend for the fiancĂ©âs sake.
Carly then said, âSo no one says I didnât invite you, everyone can see here Iâm inviting you now. Iâll send an electronic invite since thereâs no point in printing one now.â
I replied not to bother, as I already had plans.
Carly replied, âThere you all see.â
Then, someone who hadnât spoken left the group.
Relevant Comments
Commenter 1: Question- since you blocked her, how were you still receiving her text messages in the group?
OOP: I panicked and unblocked her again; I knew she wouldnât stay quiet, and thatâs when she posted in the group. Then she messaged me privately again. I havenât replied to her privately anymore.
OOP on if she knows the fiancé will leave Carly for what she has done?
OOP: I donât think heâll leave her; theyâve been dating since college, and heâs very much in love.
OOP on the wedding cake details Carly told her about and how Carly expects her to be able to whip the cake on such short notice
OOP: I was thinking about all the types of fillings she mentioned; some of them canât even be used together in the same cake. Also, cakes are priced by the pound or by the number of guests, but I donât know how many guests she will have.
How was I supposed to assemble a cake without knowing what type of supports I would use? I donât know what kind of decoration she already has, and the supports, cylinders, tables, and trays are priced separately. If she had made a contract, I wouldnât be the only person she had talked to. I donât understand how she could take so many things for granted.
The wedding is on Saturday, and I found out about it on Sunday. If I hadnât gone out with them, how was I supposed to find out about it? If I had agreed on Sunday, I wouldnât have been able to have it ready for that day.
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