How should they make money? Services and Storage cost money. Period. That has to be paid by someone. Either be it the users, or some sketchy not-giving-a-shit-about-privacy-advertising company because hosters on the usenet have to sell your data to pay for the servers.
Easy as that.
And since usenet is used for a lot of piracy, i 100% DON’T want it to be financed by shit like this. I pay for it and i know i am safe.
Don’t forget. If a product is free - you are the product.
I just want that saying to die If a product is free - you are the product. It is so outdated we know of many things people pay for that still sell your data. So paying for something does not mean your data is not safe.
Don’t you need to spread your accounts across multiple providers due to the partial uploads in other to get a complete archive?
Last time I looked, ever the .par technology to deal with missing segments was useless. I got the impression I’d need multiple accounts to have a chance at getting a complete download
Wow it really was ages ago if you mention newsbin as an indexer. Nowadays, indexer usually refers to privately run services that index nzbs for you. Most require a subscription fee, but are worth it because without them you can’t really find anything manually anymore since the file names are all obfuscated. This really helps prevent copyright takedowns.
No problem hitting 110MB/s on decent German private trackers. Also everything worthy to keep (like highest resolution release available in case of series and movies) has been seeded, even when it’s been uploaded 10 years ago.
Which trackers did you try? ‘Just because i found a magnet’ sounds like you’ve been on public trackers?
But I’m with you, Usenet is overall less of a hassle.
Are they really? Usenet is from the 70s and build for text posts, which take less than 1kb of storage per Post. Modern Sites allow you to upload gigabytes of data for a few dollars per month. The cost for storage and traffic gas come down a lot
Doesn’t really matter what it may have once been considering we’re talking about using it to store and distribute large binaries of today. And yeah, six figures doesn’t sound that far off the target when you consider the storage in petabytes and, more importantly, the bandwidth. Multiply that with redundancy and multiple locations in general and you’ll easily hit six figures.
Is there an app compatible with streaming sticks that interfaces with usenet servers that is user friendly to view a movies and TV catalog similar to using stremio and real debrid?
Not as far as i know. Root of this is that usenet files are usually obfuscated. Means that they are encrypted and their filenames are pure gibberish.
You then visist a “newsgroup” which is a forum or some list on the internet. There are posts for everything you want; Movies, shows, games, etc.
Those posts will give you a .nzb file. This is basically just a textfile that has the decryption password and the exact path if you will, for that specific file.
Example: You want to download John Wick 4. You find a post for that on some forum. You get the .nzb file. You throw this .nzb file into your usenet downloader (sabNZBd for example). This downloader takes the file, goes to your usenet provider (the actual server that hosts files) and finds the file for John Wick 4. This file might be called 132907as097fd192070a9sd709asdgsd90g709123907 and is fragmented into 400 .zip files, each with their own gibberish name.
But your downloader knows all the files that belong to each other because of that .nzb file.
Then they all get downloaded, unpacked together and you have your file.
Now this would make it very very hard to actually “stream” directly from usenet. sabNZBd can actually unpack the files while you download them, but i don’t know if they are in correct order and if it could produce a streamable videofile.
I heard of a website that claimed it could stream directly from usenet, but i never looked into it and it didn’t gain any popularity as it had some other severe issues as far as i know.
If you want a streaming like experience via Usenet, you have to go the Plex/Jellyfin + Overseerr/Ombi/Jellyseerr + Radarr&Sonarr route. It’s a suite of applications that will automate the process of finding, downloading and organizing your movies & shows. Overseerr/Ombi/Jellyseerr provide you the catalog where you can pick what you want to watch. They will push that interaction to Radarr&Sonarr. They are responsible for actually searching through the usenet forums you configured and find the correct movie / show you want from there. They will then push that to your downloader (sabNZBd for example again) and once it’s downloaded they will organize it and tell Jellyfin or Plex that it’s available. Jellyfin & Plex are the final streaming services that run locally on your hardware and can be accessed on your network. They are beautiful and extremely capable streaming applications that handle metadata automatically.
It’s quite a complicated and cumbersome process to set it all up properly. But once it’s done you never have to touch it again (unless something breaks lol) and you will have a fully automated media server that will get you whatever you want in whatever quality / language profile you want.
And since usenet is blazing fast, depending on your internet connection, you can watch a movie within 20~30 minutes after “requesting” it (requesting is the process of telling the aforementioned Overseerr/Ombi/Jellyseerr that you want John Wick 4 for example).
So yeah, sorry for that long and probably unasked explamation but thanks for listening to my Ted Talk.
Much appreciated non the less. I’m always interested in alternatives for redundancy should my current method fail. Thanks for taking the time to provide more detail.
No, and that’s a good thing.
How should they make money? Services and Storage cost money. Period. That has to be paid by someone. Either be it the users, or some sketchy not-giving-a-shit-about-privacy-advertising company because hosters on the usenet have to sell your data to pay for the servers.
Easy as that.
And since usenet is used for a lot of piracy, i 100% DON’T want it to be financed by shit like this. I pay for it and i know i am safe.
Don’t forget. If a product is free - you are the product.
I agree, but paying for something does not automatically mean that they won’t still sell your shit anyways.
that’s sadly true, but in the past - the pirates turned out to be the fair and square ones that i could trust…unlike the others
I just want that saying to die If a product is free - you are the product. It is so outdated we know of many things people pay for that still sell your data. So paying for something does not mean your data is not safe.
exactly this. I’m sure some of the larger hosts easily spend six figures per month just on the server infrastructure alone
Usenet is super fast, safe, reliable, automated searching and downloading actually works. I gladly support my host
100% - i get 40MB/s on Usenet, something i could only dream about on torrents…also i am in germany, torrenting is quite risky here.
When i find something on usenet, it is there…period. I can get it. On torrents? Just because i found a magnet doesn’t mean there is anyone seeding it.
Don’t you need to spread your accounts across multiple providers due to the partial uploads in other to get a complete archive?
Last time I looked, ever the .par technology to deal with missing segments was useless. I got the impression I’d need multiple accounts to have a chance at getting a complete download
What indexer(s) are you using?
I think it was newsbin? This was years ago admittedly…
Wow it really was ages ago if you mention newsbin as an indexer. Nowadays, indexer usually refers to privately run services that index nzbs for you. Most require a subscription fee, but are worth it because without them you can’t really find anything manually anymore since the file names are all obfuscated. This really helps prevent copyright takedowns.
Yeah, I don’t think there were discrete indexers.
I’ve missed a few rounds of cat and mouse
This exactly I find something on usenet it is there. And I can download at full speed.
No problem hitting 110MB/s on decent German private trackers. Also everything worthy to keep (like highest resolution release available in case of series and movies) has been seeded, even when it’s been uploaded 10 years ago.
Which trackers did you try? ‘Just because i found a magnet’ sounds like you’ve been on public trackers?
But I’m with you, Usenet is overall less of a hassle.
Are they really? Usenet is from the 70s and build for text posts, which take less than 1kb of storage per Post. Modern Sites allow you to upload gigabytes of data for a few dollars per month. The cost for storage and traffic gas come down a lot
Doesn’t really matter what it may have once been considering we’re talking about using it to store and distribute large binaries of today. And yeah, six figures doesn’t sound that far off the target when you consider the storage in petabytes and, more importantly, the bandwidth. Multiply that with redundancy and multiple locations in general and you’ll easily hit six figures.
Is there an app compatible with streaming sticks that interfaces with usenet servers that is user friendly to view a movies and TV catalog similar to using stremio and real debrid?
Not as far as i know. Root of this is that usenet files are usually obfuscated. Means that they are encrypted and their filenames are pure gibberish.
You then visist a “newsgroup” which is a forum or some list on the internet. There are posts for everything you want; Movies, shows, games, etc.
Those posts will give you a .nzb file. This is basically just a textfile that has the decryption password and the exact path if you will, for that specific file.
Example: You want to download John Wick 4. You find a post for that on some forum. You get the .nzb file. You throw this .nzb file into your usenet downloader (sabNZBd for example). This downloader takes the file, goes to your usenet provider (the actual server that hosts files) and finds the file for John Wick 4. This file might be called 132907as097fd192070a9sd709asdgsd90g709123907 and is fragmented into 400 .zip files, each with their own gibberish name.
But your downloader knows all the files that belong to each other because of that .nzb file.
Then they all get downloaded, unpacked together and you have your file.
Now this would make it very very hard to actually “stream” directly from usenet. sabNZBd can actually unpack the files while you download them, but i don’t know if they are in correct order and if it could produce a streamable videofile.
I heard of a website that claimed it could stream directly from usenet, but i never looked into it and it didn’t gain any popularity as it had some other severe issues as far as i know.
If you want a streaming like experience via Usenet, you have to go the Plex/Jellyfin + Overseerr/Ombi/Jellyseerr + Radarr&Sonarr route. It’s a suite of applications that will automate the process of finding, downloading and organizing your movies & shows. Overseerr/Ombi/Jellyseerr provide you the catalog where you can pick what you want to watch. They will push that interaction to Radarr&Sonarr. They are responsible for actually searching through the usenet forums you configured and find the correct movie / show you want from there. They will then push that to your downloader (sabNZBd for example again) and once it’s downloaded they will organize it and tell Jellyfin or Plex that it’s available. Jellyfin & Plex are the final streaming services that run locally on your hardware and can be accessed on your network. They are beautiful and extremely capable streaming applications that handle metadata automatically.
It’s quite a complicated and cumbersome process to set it all up properly. But once it’s done you never have to touch it again (unless something breaks lol) and you will have a fully automated media server that will get you whatever you want in whatever quality / language profile you want.
And since usenet is blazing fast, depending on your internet connection, you can watch a movie within 20~30 minutes after “requesting” it (requesting is the process of telling the aforementioned Overseerr/Ombi/Jellyseerr that you want John Wick 4 for example).
So yeah, sorry for that long and probably unasked explamation but thanks for listening to my Ted Talk.
Very much appreciate this reply 🙏
Much appreciated non the less. I’m always interested in alternatives for redundancy should my current method fail. Thanks for taking the time to provide more detail.