The TLDR of the video is that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was bad, and that Western and Ukrainian aggression didn’t poke the tiger. He doesn’t mention that the West could end the war tomorrow.
To be fair, I’m not pro Putin. I know Russians in Russia who are risking their safety to be peace activists, which is the correct and noble position to have in Russia. An Australian guy taking the position that Putin bad just seems easy and is doing the work of the State department.
I think his argument is more that they did poke it but that doesn’t justify a full scale land invasion.
I don’t agree with him, but honestly his take here seems way more consistent and rational than Libs on the topic. He’s still wrong, but I was honestly expecting it to be worse given his history.
“Full scale” lmao
If this was the entire argument, his position would be kind of valid. Nato poking the bear is an explanation, but not an excuse for Russia.
But then he later states that the forced conscription in Ukraine is just what any nation would do. Which, sure, but that’s not a fucking excuse either then.
No I agree.
He made points here I respect tho and think it’s good for Libs to hear.
I strongly disagree with his downplaying of how entrenched neo-Nazis clearly are in the Ukrainian military though, and suggesting there 0 genuine, non-astroturfed Russian separatist sentiment in eastern Ukraine.
His sentiment is overall much better still than most liberals, of course. It’s just his dismissal of very valid leftist positions that irks me. This is a fight between two capitalist nations and the principled take would be no war but the class war. To that end, the forced conscription of both sides should be highlighted as the barbaric thing it is, where the state forces unwilling men to die for the profits of oligarchs. BadEmpanada rightfully points out that this whole war is a pointless meat grinder that doesn’t serve either people.
Russia doesn’t care about the fascists, but they are still there, and fucking Bandera is now widely celebrated. Ukraine is not a nation worth the blood shed over it. Defending Ukraine serves no purpose for the cause of any denomination of socialism. It is also not our responsibility as westerners to deal with the Russian imperialism either, we got our own house to clean. This shit is what broke the second international, we should know this by now. Working against the war effort of “our” side is the fucking point, because they are not our side, and we are responsible for it. So what, if Russia “wins” or there is a peace treaty? It puts an end to the dying and there are still capitalists in control. Boo hoo. But there is no need to put it this way.
This isn’t a fight where leftists should pick a side to “support”, it’s a pointless war we should oppose. The senselessness and cruelty of it all, of either side, should not be excused, but highlighted. This is what capitalism fucking does. Don’t say Ukraine or the West is right, don’t say Russia is right, say this war is shit. It was preventable, neither leadership cares about its people, and it should end. If you wanna go for the “good guy” appearance, say you support UN monitored referendums in the contested areas after a peace treaty, or something like that. Put the people first. They live on the land, they get to decide. That’s democracy.
Sorry for the rant.
For me the subtext of the video came across as “this is horrific for the working class of both countries and should stop”, which is literally the correct take.
“war is bad and should stop”, when removed from context and analysis is not a take, it’s a platitude.
The fact that he whitewashes the West’s role in the war, pretends Ukraine is not a country with a significant Russian-friendly minority, and puts the blame for the war’s consequences and continuation on Russia means that his “war is bad and should stop” ends up being an endorsement of NATO’s position - that only Russia can and should take measures to stop the war, and that any escalation from the West is justified.