Recently I posted a pretty harmless meme in my DSA chapter’s Discord (see image). It was in response to South Korea’s recent spate of Fascism.

In response I had comrades jump down my throat, attacking me for critical support of AES states like DPRK and China. According to these comrades “there is no real Socialist nation.”

As tempting as it is to quit DSA I think I should stay and try to educate.

Comrades also jumped on me for a comment I made months ago in response to some right wing BS where I said “maybe Democracy isn’t always a great idea”. The point I was trying to make was that Trans rights and other basic freedoms should never be put up to a popularity contest… I’m ok with a state that defends these rights and doesn’t allow a reactionary majority to vote them away!

During this thread, people brought up multiple times that DPRK isn’t Democratic because the Kim’s have always been the figurehead, China isn’t Democratic because “reasons” (racism), China lies about their suicide rates to WHO, etc.

Frustrating. I’ll post more details in the comments.

My question: What constitutes a “real” Democracy? Is it leadership changing hands every few years? We don’t have that in the U.S. Is it secret ballots? All the nationa above have that. Is it that the people’s votes and voices actually change the government actions? We saw this in China unfortunately when people demanded ending the COVID lock downs early. It was the wrong thing to do but done for the right reason.

And is there any hope for these people in my chapter? One of them was basically racist against Chinese people and they seem very set in this “not real Socialism” mindset.

  • hello_hello [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    19 days ago

    The seasonally conscripted slaves who built the pyramids got free housing provided by the state and more consistent meals than the average free Egyptian. When will you be rebranding yourself as a Marxist-Leninist-Amenhotepist?

    This sounds like some southerner confederacy shit lmao. Maybe this should be a hexbear tagline because it’s so unhinged like you might be talking to a literal child.

    laboring majority - something North Korea (and every 21st Marxist-Leninist state) utterly failed to achieve.

    “21st [century]” wtf does that even mean all of these countries were formed before the illegal dissolution of the USSR. Also this is just buying into state department lies wholesale and this person will probably be telling you how Hamas is bad™ for Palestine and Israel is a flawed democracy with bad apples. Also this person just declares that North Korea “failed” socialism and gives no examples, likely because any example they would have given would just be debunked (this is common with literally everyone who insults the DPRK, no examples or evidence means they can’t ever be proven wrong and they are right because hegemonic anti-communism)

    romanticize and white wash a cultish hereditary monarchy…but I am a little sick of not seeing anyone push back against it. We are the democratic socialists of america, not the autocratic capitalists of america.

    Western left only knows how to orientalist and lie. “No investigation no, right to speak” is their motto.