Hello comrades. In the interest of upholding our code of conduct - specifically, rule 1 (providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all) - we felt it appropriate to make a statement regarding the lionization of Luigi Mangione, the alleged United Healthcare CEO shooter, also known as “The Adjuster.”

In the day or so since the alleged shooter’s identity became known to the public, the whole world has had the chance to dig though his personal social media accounts and attempt to decipher his political ideology and motives. What we have learned may shock you. He is not one of us. He is a “typical” American with largely incoherent, and in many cases reactionary politics. For the most part, what is remarkable about the man himself is that he chose to take out his anger on a genuine enemy of the proletariat, instead of an elementary school.

This is a situation where the art must be separated from the artist. We do not condemn the attack, but as a role model, Luigi Mangione falls short. We do not expect perfection from revolutionary figures either, but we expect a modicum of revolutionary discipline. We expect them not simply to identify an unpopular element of society hitler-detector , but to clearly illuminate the causes of oppression and the means by which they are overcome. When we canonize revolutionary figures, we are holding them up as an example to be followed.

This is where things come back to rule 1. Mangione has a long social media history bearing a spectrum of reactionary viewpoints, and interacting positively with many powerful reactionary figures. While some commenters have referred to this as “nothing malicious,” by lionizing this man we effectively deem this behavior acceptable, or at the very least, safe to ignore. This is the type of tailism which opens the door to making a space unsafe for marginalized people.

We’re going to be more strict on moderating posts which do little more than lionize the shooter. There is plenty to be said about the unfolding events, the remarkably positive public reaction, how public reactions to “propaganda of the deed” may have changed since the historical epoch of its conception (and how the strategic hazards might not have), and many other aspects of the news without canonizing this man specifically. We can still dance on the graves of our enemies and celebrate their rediscovered fear and vulnerability without the vulgar revisionism needed to pretend this man is some sort of example of Marxist or Anarchist practice.

    • imogen_underscore [it/its, she/her]@hexbear.net
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      this is such a wildly bad faith interpretation of the disagreement lol. the deleted comment was asinine and people are rightfully calling it out for showing incredible ignorance of Marxism-Leninism and conflating legitimate anti-imperialist struggle with some white dude in the core who went sicko mode. Luigi did not do a revolutionary praxis. i shouldn’t have to spell it out for you, honestly read a book.

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              i have spent far too much energy on them today and i regret it, super drained. thanks for the word of support comrade. i really firmly believe that a large group of users are completely wrong about this and seeing them dig in and get nasty is really unpleasant. just thankful the mods are on the correct side of this one lol

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                i really firmly believe that a large group of users are completely wrong about this and seeing them dig in and get nasty is really unpleasant.

                I genuinely hope none of these motherfuckers are in my org. Hell, I hope anyone who shares an org with them gets clear soon, if this is the way they dig their heels in and talk over folk. This past couple days, this subject? This is exactly what I mean when I elaborate as to why I only organize and agitate with Black-led, Black-oriented formations, and STILL line out a difference between those I consider comrades, and settler-‘leftists’. I haven’t heard ONE LICK of bullshit like this out of any of my kinfolk, but oooooooooh do I have to listen to cracker after cracker uplifting their favorite new techbro twink.

                I genuinely hope this site is just crackers on zero organizational motion after this past couple days. I don’t want them polluting spaces meant for people with even a half an iota of discipline.

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      Copying another comment from elsewhere:

      Nobody who is doing critical support for Putin is saying “America should be ruled like Russia”.

      The groups you mention in their political context do not have alternatives that exhibit the following traits:

      1. The strength to defend against imperialism to the same degree
      2. Socialist politics

      Political context matters.

      Yes there are different standards for the imperial core than there are for the periphery. The imperial core should be held to a higher standard because it is the source of woe that it sows across the periphery.

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        Nobody who is doing critical support for Putin is saying “America should be ruled like Russia”.

        This is about lionizing a person not endorsing all of their beliefs. “Stalin saved the world from fascism and is hero for it” is not me saying we must implement Lysenkoism.

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            11 hours ago

            Wrecker shit.

            Uh please come up with excuses for Lysenko. nerd

            "Don’t look that I created this account 10 hours ago and only posted in the struggle session. " PIGPOOPBALLS

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              Why are lemmy.ml accounts even allowed here? I can understand people from grad being allowed to chat, but the only reason I see for a .ml to show up in a struggle session is ban evasion or sockpuppeting.

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                There are some good .ml users that continuously fight in the posting trenches since they have to see all the .ee and .world libs and sometimes an actual .ml will wander in here and learn something in good faith. But yes, the ease of making an account there and then coming here to freely comment makes it a ripe target for wreckers like this one. To me, it seems crystal clear that at least two of the accounts posting in this thread now are sockpuppets of each other, but I don’t know what tools the mods have at their disposal to spot sockpuppetry if they have any at all. It also seems clear that it’s the same wrecker that infested the last big mod overreach related struggle session. It doesn’t help that the wrecker is ostensibly a sycophant for the side the mods have taken, but maybe that’s by design.

                edit. I actually meant this to be a response to @YEP@hexbear.net, so tagging instead.

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                    Yes! I thought of Cowbee after I posted that. I forgot which instance he came from, but I knew it was one of those others that are federated. I can’t remember or find who it was, but someone not federated, like a fucking .world only user who came over to see when they heard how BAD we are here, but ended up making an account and staying and learning. I think it was in a conversation where Cowbee was talking about making an account on hexbear, so maybe he remembers better.

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                I’ve generally had good interactions with ml but that’s an obvious wrecker/sock/fed/whatever

                Catharsis of posting ppb is unmatched fr