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    Of the company designing it? Nothing.

    I’m exclusively talking about the cost of developing the design to be manufactured in a third world country, paying the employees there third would country wages. That costs a buttload of money up front that is made up with scale.

    There is no path to scale with this.

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      So, it’s either “third world wages” or what they’re charging now? There’s no in between?

      Please answer this: you accept that these people are charging the absolute maximum they can get away with?

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        We’re not talking about a real product. We’re talking about a hypothetical product with unique features requiring a custom design.

        The cost to a company to get prototypes for a laptop to the point where it is capable of being produced to deliver to third parties is 7 figures best case, not counting any of their own labor. That’s what they’re going to pay a source in China or India or wherever, who don’t have any employees making more than third world cost of living and don’t have big margins.

        It takes a fucking lot of labor and materials to get a design for a product as complex as a laptop ready for assembly line production.

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          What do you mean we’re not talking about a ‘real product’? I’m literally talking about the actual product they’re selling.

          For some reason, you seem to believe they’re charging the absolute bare minimum to keep the lights on and put bread on the table. That’s just not true, lol.

          It’s about doing the least, while charging the most. I’m sorry this needs to be explained to you so much.

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            That’s not what happened in the thread you’re in. You responded to a request for something that doesn’t exist.

            But ignoring that, this is also a niche project with a small and the people you’re complaining about also genuinely aren’t making that much money, for similar reasons. There are massive up front costs and they have to have much bigger margins per product to make that back wigen they don’t move millions of units.

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              Okay. You’re just completely ignoring what you want so you can keep your head in the sand.

              Goodbye. Keep spending your money, lol. You’re totally not getting ripped off.

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                Because I understand the business realities of making small niche products?

                I’m not buying it. I don’t care what they price it at. That doesn’t change the unarguable fact that there are substantial fixed costs that are extremely hard to recoup on small market products.

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                  Lol. If you understand business so well, why does it need to be spelled out for you that businesses charge what people are willing to pay, not what something costs to produce?

                  Come on man.

                  I don’t care what they price it at.

                  Okay. Lol. You’re the reason things are so expensive. You just pay it without a second thought.

                  It’s impossible for something to be overpriced in your mind. Lol.

                  But yeah. You ‘know business.’

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                    Because it’s only possible to arbitrarily go meaningfully above your cost when you have some established market advantage.

                    Luxottica can jack up prices because they own every luxury sunglasses brand on the planet. Star Labs can’t jack up prices because the day they exceed their costs meaningfully, someone else with the same economics will steal their market share.

                    The actual cost of doing business is the core factor in determining their price. If they could afford to lower prices, they would do it so they could grow.