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The shitheel isn’t satisfied with just the USA either. He is in the process of buying the pseudoparty Reform ltd. in the UK and is supporting AfD in Germany. I’m sure there are examples in other countries.
Correct, Italy as well. That’s what we know for a fact. I see no reason why Elon would not support other similar parties, like the Dutch PVV. I suspect there are several aspects to it. Not only limiting worker protections and such, but also Elon’s link with Putin.
Elon already bought America, but he also tries to buy Europe by supporting pro-Putin political parties. The only problem is that he can’t finance them directly, but no doubt there will be a way around that.
I don’t believe in Nazi sympathizers. You’re either a Nazi or you are not. Enough shit happened for everyone to be informed way beyond being able to form an educated guess.
On principle I want to agree with you, and I also think that there’s a point at which someone knows or has done enough that they have responsibility for their beliefs and actions.
But at the same time, we have to recognize that there is propaganda, that people tell themselves lies to justify things which they then tell as lies to others, that folks sometimes are so busy scrambling to survive that they don’t have time to sit and think through their beliefs and actions. I do genuinely believe there are many folks that are mislead and that there’s a spectrum of how harmful and hateful your actions can be.
If I think back to my own childhood, for example, there were periods of time where I held and parroted beliefs that were harmful- racist, sexist, and bigoted. I was privileged enough to have time, space, and resources to evaluate these ideas and realize their harm and change my behavior. But there was a period in time where some of these beliefs, if shared online, would have had people rightfully upset. I think there are folks out there who might be accused of sympathizing with bigotry on specific issues because they don’t know any better and I think there are folks out there who need to take responsibility for the bigotry they are causing and have clearly crossed over into being bigoted from being just a sympathizer.
Elon has clearly crossed that line, long ago. There’s certainly responsibility that comes along with action- devoting resources and spreading hateful speech on a global scale with a platform has real consequences and he deserves all the hate he is receiving. But I do think there are folks out there who haven’t crossed over that line quite yet and that there’s a gray area which some folks exist in where they aren’t causing enough damage or harm where one could be called a sympathizer due to their uneducated, ignorant, or unquestioned beliefs.
I’m upvoting, because I understand your point and appreciate the thought. But I disagree. There is stuff that’s hard to understand and or get the context right and then there’s the holocaust.
If I voice my opinion on anything I try to make sure I understand the matter. If I don’t understand enough I try to shut the fuck up. Not because I’m some kind of genius, but because I’m not a complete idiot.
I might be thin skinned on that matter due to being German though. But I refuse to accept ignorance here.
There is stuff that’s hard to understand and or get the context right and then there’s the holocaust.
Absolutely. It was a difficult comment to write, because I suspect I fall closer to your opinion than it may seem absent any context of what I’ve spoken on and I don’t want it to seem like I’m arguing in favor of being tolerant of the intolerant (we absolutely should not - punching Nazis is good and correct). The comment is more about how shades of gray do exist even if the stakes are high and our tolerance for these shades of gray should be fairly low.
I do have some understanding for people that were raised in a Nazi-like environment as the likely don’t know any better. But when you hit adulthood, you need to inform yourself. The problem with that is that there are countless Nazi channels you need to escape from. There needs to be some tiny spark from within. By immediately (though understandably) condemn such people, you don’t enlighten them. Try instead to have them explain their views as if you are five or completely ignorant. They will not feel threatened and gradually, they will get into trouble explaining themselves. It will not work with all.
One of the worst things about nationalism and Nazism is that Nazis can make people into Nazis before and without their consent. Non-consensual Nazis who were raised or groomed into Nazis are still a kind of Nazis.
I can agree to that. People like Musk deserve the majority of beatings.
agreed, one cannot “sympathize” with such a destructive ideology
The Most Powerful Man in America…
…article about Musk.
The article of course will convince no one since there are no depths too far for Republicans, and decent people already knew he was a scumbag. However, headlines of articles lately seem increasingly written with tweaking Trump’s nose and sowing internal discord at Trump’s camp in mind, and I’m so here for it.
Trump is a classic scumbag, but I consider him less dangerous then Elon. So I hope Trump’s ego will be triggered enough to dump Elon. If that will be enough to limit Elon I am not sure though.
Yeah, it’s definitely amusing to witness.
Wouldn’t be the first one…
“Fry, remember when I told you about always ending your sentences a word earlier?”
Turns out fascism is good for personal gain.
Most powerful man is a monarchist. Being a Nazi
sympathizeris incidental and naturally follows.
