There is no post-2021 evidence whatsoever of human right abuses of any sort in the Xinjiang province against Uyghur people. You can try to find stuff but you won’t find anything, I dare you to send me a single article that has an actual reference to actual evidence of post-2021 human right abuses. Send me an article and point to the actual reference within the article. I dare you.
Uyghur Genocide and Concentrated Reeducation Camps in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of the People’s Republic of China https://search.app/fyMhR137LTgqVkEJ8
Here is a report from the office of national intelligence last November listing all the data for the genocide.
The document is from a US intelligence agency from what it seems, it’s poorly referenced, and even then there’s nothing post-2021, is there?
I explicitly asked to please point at the reference within the article, because I’m exhausted of people just finding articles on google on this topic on western media and sending them to me without reading them. Please tell me what post-2021 huma right abuses are referenced and well-sourced in the report
You didn’t download it did you? There is recent and relevant information about Uygher displacement and ethic cleansing. Why do you support ethnic cleansing?
So I checked it out… never directly states where the data is from (“PRC state media and data”, “party documents and data reportedly obtained from local public security bureaus in Xinjiang”, it continues to be this vague never specific throughout), most of the dates end in 2021/2022 (for the latter e.g. “the last date for which authorities have issued such reports”, so that doesn’t show it hasn’t ended in 2021)
The closest thing you have in there is
the continued elevated number of
indictments in 2022 suggests that the campaign continues
Two years after Xinjiang findings, UN reports ‘limited access to information’, ‘reprisals’ against activists | ISHR https://search.app/rTPVgDbwvYQ9ozAEA
China is refusing to allow an investigation. That’s a presumption of guilt.
you and this other guy are tankie trash, full stop.
So does then make you fascist trash? This isn’t the cold war and I was born in Scotland not Yugoslavia
No buddy were just a bit brighter then you. There’s 3 tiers of thinking. 'one side is wholly bad"
Tier 2 “both sides are bad”
Tier 3" both sides are bad but I want to look deeper into the complexites and nuances which made me realise, one side is infinitely worse"
You’re stuck on tier 2.
i’m an american, i’m a little dull to the ol “it isn’t technically a war bc we didn’t declare war >:2” shit
You said it yourself you are pretty dull as you don’t know what a freaking war crime Vs a crime against humanity is. A crime against humanity would be like slaving your citizens… Like how it’s codified in American prison laws
I think you’re making the same error you’re trying to call out. Sorting through the flurry of insults, your core complaint is that Marxist-Leninists don’t see nuance. I think this is disingenuous, Marxism-Leninism has strong theoretical foundations that are logically consistent. Similarly, you flip from the strawman that “everyone that isn’t an ML is a fascist” to your own assertion that everyone is fascist, or at least it appears that’s your claim. I don’t really think you have a clear conception of what constitutes fascism, or if you do it isn’t readily apparent, same with Imperialism.
I think if you want to understand MLs more you could probably be served better by trying to work from an initial place of trying to understand why MLs think the way they do, rather than trying to come up with post-hoc justifications.
'anyone who isn’t a ML is a fascist" your whole argument is based off of something you imagined. No I’m stating it now I could not care less what your instance is, what level of mental illness do you need to start hostilities over you’re freaking instance like who gives a shit. I’m just left leaning and my instance is set to read from all and subscribe to communities from all instances lmfao. Buddyyy go touch some grass
There is no post-2021 evidence whatsoever of human right abuses of any sort in the Xinjiang province against Uyghur people. You can try to find stuff but you won’t find anything, I dare you to send me a single article that has an actual reference to actual evidence of post-2021 human right abuses. Send me an article and point to the actual reference within the article. I dare you.
Uyghur Genocide and Concentrated Reeducation Camps in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of the People’s Republic of China https://search.app/fyMhR137LTgqVkEJ8
Here is a report from the office of national intelligence last November listing all the data for the genocide.
The document is from a US intelligence agency from what it seems, it’s poorly referenced, and even then there’s nothing post-2021, is there?
I explicitly asked to please point at the reference within the article, because I’m exhausted of people just finding articles on google on this topic on western media and sending them to me without reading them. Please tell me what post-2021 huma right abuses are referenced and well-sourced in the report
You didn’t download it did you? There is recent and relevant information about Uygher displacement and ethic cleansing. Why do you support ethnic cleansing?
Again: point out the exact reference in the “report”, because I simply can’t find it, I already asked you twice to do that.
Anyway, amazing that your argument is “look, Uyghur genocide is real. And here’s the evidence: US intelligence state propaganda”
So I checked it out… never directly states where the data is from (“PRC state media and data”, “party documents and data reportedly obtained from local public security bureaus in Xinjiang”, it continues to be this vague never specific throughout), most of the dates end in 2021/2022 (for the latter e.g. “the last date for which authorities have issued such reports”, so that doesn’t show it hasn’t ended in 2021)
The closest thing you have in there is
Are there other, better, sources?
Two years after Xinjiang findings, UN reports ‘limited access to information’, ‘reprisals’ against activists | ISHR https://search.app/rTPVgDbwvYQ9ozAEA
China is refusing to allow an investigation. That’s a presumption of guilt.
I never heard of the ISHR. They seem to be cagey about their funding sources 🤔
The actual UN OHCHR report is a one-pager that provides no detail or evidence to back up its mention of “limited access” and “fear of reprisals”: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-briefing-notes/2024/08/china-update-work-un-human-rights-office
Weak tea.
ETA: Looking deeper, the funding seems to mostly come from NATO & NATO “partner” governments and the Ford Foundation.
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You said it yourself you are pretty dull as you don’t know what a freaking war crime Vs a crime against humanity is. A crime against humanity would be like slaving your citizens… Like how it’s codified in American prison laws
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I think you’re making the same error you’re trying to call out. Sorting through the flurry of insults, your core complaint is that Marxist-Leninists don’t see nuance. I think this is disingenuous, Marxism-Leninism has strong theoretical foundations that are logically consistent. Similarly, you flip from the strawman that “everyone that isn’t an ML is a fascist” to your own assertion that everyone is fascist, or at least it appears that’s your claim. I don’t really think you have a clear conception of what constitutes fascism, or if you do it isn’t readily apparent, same with Imperialism.
I think if you want to understand MLs more you could probably be served better by trying to work from an initial place of trying to understand why MLs think the way they do, rather than trying to come up with post-hoc justifications.
'anyone who isn’t a ML is a fascist" your whole argument is based off of something you imagined. No I’m stating it now I could not care less what your instance is, what level of mental illness do you need to start hostilities over you’re freaking instance like who gives a shit. I’m just left leaning and my instance is set to read from all and subscribe to communities from all instances lmfao. Buddyyy go touch some grass
Here is the definition. A crime against humanity is a war crime.
The International Criminal Court (ICC) | International peace and security | Government.nl https://search.app/iKiJrEFeMYP2nzF76