…maybe the EU citizens should be asked first IF they want the brits to come back in the first place?
and if they do - under what conditions. Don’t forget the fact the Brits really have burned-down the bridges and threw every little bit of bullshit at the EU and several of the coutries, including their leaders. So - if they want to come back, they should think about a way to redeem themselves.
It’s not about redemption or something like that. EU membership is a process and open to all european countries. If UK wants to join again, we don’t need an apology from the population.
(and, by the way: 2016 was 9 years ago. With a life expectancy of 78 years and a voting age of 18 a bigger part of those who voted for Brexit have already died. No one under 27 was even able to vote. The migrant population also had no vote here)
There is a lot of BS about setting an example and punishing them, but I have not seen anyone who actually knows how the process works say anything remotely like that.
It would also be a massive case of the EU cutting off it’s nose to spite it’s face. That’s just not how the EU rolls.
The normal process of joining has requirements geared towards poor peripheral countries that the UK already meets or exceeds.
The UK can join anytime it wishes and there is even a lot of room to negotiate mutually beneficial terms.
I do think it would be fair to require them to adopt the Euro this time around, for example. But even if that doesn’t happen as long as everyone is better with the UK in then it’s worth it.
Any country joining the EU pledges to join the euro, but there are no deadlines defined and there is little animo to push countries to join, but technically it’s part of the deal.
Then again - looking at Hungary for example, it’s better to leave someone outside if said somebody has clear tendencies of being a troublemaker.
A good relationship is way better than no relationship. But no relationship is ENORMOUSLY better than a toxic relationship. And the UK track record isn’t that great in that regard…
We do, but we need to set an example. You can’t have it look like some club you can just enter and exit just like that. You have got to discourage other countries from trying to leave.
Essentially the UK has to come crawling back on their knees and take a bad deal that gets better for them year after year or smth.
Its highly unlikely the UK will rejoin any time soon. The requirements for rejoining are much higher than those for leaving.
Rejoining would mean signing up for the Euro, and the common agricultural policy with no rebates - both those things would extremely difficult to get people to vote for here.
And I have to be honest - I did not want to leave the EU but I would not vote to rejoin. Regretting something is not the same as being for the reverse.
Brexit has not been as bad as I thought it would be. I look at the EU and the continued lack of reform and its democratic deficit and I’m kinda glad thats no longer my problem. I wish the EU all the best, but it needs to become more accountable to voters and it needs to find a way to deal with states like Hungary. Plus the rise of far right parties like AFD in Germany and the real risk Le Pen may be the next president of France honestly makes me feel safer out of the EU. How would the EU deal with far right parties in actual power? The democratic checks and balances seem so weak.
I wish the EU the best of luck with these problems. The UK has its own national problems to focus on and I feel like thats finally happening as politicians are no longer obsessing over the EU.
…maybe the EU citizens should be asked first IF they want the brits to come back in the first place?
and if they do - under what conditions. Don’t forget the fact the Brits really have burned-down the bridges and threw every little bit of bullshit at the EU and several of the coutries, including their leaders. So - if they want to come back, they should think about a way to redeem themselves.
It’s not about redemption or something like that. EU membership is a process and open to all european countries. If UK wants to join again, we don’t need an apology from the population.
(and, by the way: 2016 was 9 years ago. With a life expectancy of 78 years and a voting age of 18 a bigger part of those who voted for Brexit have already died. No one under 27 was even able to vote. The migrant population also had no vote here)
I agree.
There is a lot of BS about setting an example and punishing them, but I have not seen anyone who actually knows how the process works say anything remotely like that.
It would also be a massive case of the EU cutting off it’s nose to spite it’s face. That’s just not how the EU rolls.
The normal process of joining has requirements geared towards poor peripheral countries that the UK already meets or exceeds.
The UK can join anytime it wishes and there is even a lot of room to negotiate mutually beneficial terms.
I do think it would be fair to require them to adopt the Euro this time around, for example. But even if that doesn’t happen as long as everyone is better with the UK in then it’s worth it.
Any country joining the EU pledges to join the euro, but there are no deadlines defined and there is little animo to push countries to join, but technically it’s part of the deal.
you are aware you just gave THE best plea on why the EU should NOT think about letting UK back in, right?
Don’t put all people of the UK in the same basket please.
We are stronger if we are united. Vengeance against all for being misled by the brexit liars is not productive.
there’s some truth in your statement.
Then again - looking at Hungary for example, it’s better to leave someone outside if said somebody has clear tendencies of being a troublemaker.
A good relationship is way better than no relationship. But no relationship is ENORMOUSLY better than a toxic relationship. And the UK track record isn’t that great in that regard…
We do, but we need to set an example. You can’t have it look like some club you can just enter and exit just like that. You have got to discourage other countries from trying to leave. Essentially the UK has to come crawling back on their knees and take a bad deal that gets better for them year after year or smth.
Its highly unlikely the UK will rejoin any time soon. The requirements for rejoining are much higher than those for leaving.
Rejoining would mean signing up for the Euro, and the common agricultural policy with no rebates - both those things would extremely difficult to get people to vote for here.
And I have to be honest - I did not want to leave the EU but I would not vote to rejoin. Regretting something is not the same as being for the reverse.
Brexit has not been as bad as I thought it would be. I look at the EU and the continued lack of reform and its democratic deficit and I’m kinda glad thats no longer my problem. I wish the EU all the best, but it needs to become more accountable to voters and it needs to find a way to deal with states like Hungary. Plus the rise of far right parties like AFD in Germany and the real risk Le Pen may be the next president of France honestly makes me feel safer out of the EU. How would the EU deal with far right parties in actual power? The democratic checks and balances seem so weak.
I wish the EU the best of luck with these problems. The UK has its own national problems to focus on and I feel like thats finally happening as politicians are no longer obsessing over the EU.