I likely have an even more cynical take on American “conservatives” than those who are often labelled woke (and paradoxically I don’t always agree with), yet I don’t see the big deal with having a conservative community/instance or whatever.
I mean, Lemmy is rife with tankies; it doesn’t get much worse than that.
FWIW, I think the term “echo-chamber” is way overused, almost to the point of being meaningless. I also don’t believe in the sincerity and coherence of American-style conceptions of “free speech”.
“Fediverse shouldn’t allow convervatives communities” is nuts though. This is not workable from a practical perspective (forget the moral questions for a second).
Racism, overt dehumanisation, denial of widely accepted mass scale human rights abuses; that’s something that can be managed from a moderation standpoint. But this would impact groups across the political spectrum (nazies, tankies, some far right, some far left).
The paradox of intolerance: tolerating intolerance immediately results in an intolerant society.
There are various paradoxes and limitations inherent to a socially liberal society (not including the obvious issues of capitalism) that have been exploited by billionaires, fascists, strongmen, religious nuts and many others.
But there are other ways to create incentives for avoiding criminal behaviour and corruption (which IMO is closely tied to intolerance - a modern circus if you will).
Things like full asset seizure, mandatory multi-decade live-in community service work as a junior custodian in a medical centre.
If say an oligarch like Mark Zuckerberg (who very likely enabled mass killings in Myanmar both due to lack of concern and “risk management”) had all his assets seized and was sent for 20 years to the Island of Bhasan Char to work all the lowest level janitor on the island, other oligarchs would understand that they need show a modicum of respect and understanding towards others.
FWIW, I think the term “echo-chamber” is way overused
Fair point! I agree with all your points made.
I should clarify and say that I think Lemmy very much wants to erase all conservative content from the fediverse. Which is totally against what the fediverse stands for.
Don’t know why this was downvoted.
I likely have an even more cynical take on American “conservatives” than those who are often labelled woke (and paradoxically I don’t always agree with), yet I don’t see the big deal with having a conservative community/instance or whatever.
I mean, Lemmy is rife with tankies; it doesn’t get much worse than that.
Because Lemmy very much wants an echo-chamber. Even tho many say they left Reddit to get out of echo-chambers.
I’ve seen lots of posts saying variations of, “I don’t think the Fediverse should allow conservative communites.” lol
FWIW, I think the term “echo-chamber” is way overused, almost to the point of being meaningless. I also don’t believe in the sincerity and coherence of American-style conceptions of “free speech”.
“Fediverse shouldn’t allow convervatives communities” is nuts though. This is not workable from a practical perspective (forget the moral questions for a second).
Racism, overt dehumanisation, denial of widely accepted mass scale human rights abuses; that’s something that can be managed from a moderation standpoint. But this would impact groups across the political spectrum (nazies, tankies, some far right, some far left).
The paradox of intolerance: tolerating intolerance immediately results in an intolerant society.
There are various paradoxes and limitations inherent to a socially liberal society (not including the obvious issues of capitalism) that have been exploited by billionaires, fascists, strongmen, religious nuts and many others.
I very much agree.
But there are other ways to create incentives for avoiding criminal behaviour and corruption (which IMO is closely tied to intolerance - a modern circus if you will).
Things like full asset seizure, mandatory multi-decade live-in community service work as a junior custodian in a medical centre.
If say an oligarch like Mark Zuckerberg (who very likely enabled mass killings in Myanmar both due to lack of concern and “risk management”) had all his assets seized and was sent for 20 years to the Island of Bhasan Char to work all the lowest level janitor on the island, other oligarchs would understand that they need show a modicum of respect and understanding towards others.
Fair point! I agree with all your points made.
I should clarify and say that I think Lemmy very much wants to erase all conservative content from the fediverse. Which is totally against what the fediverse stands for.