So, on that note of you feeling some sort of superiority, because you think you know for a fact, the source is a Reich Winger, when the “source” is working class zeitgeist.
Much like how no one person came up with the “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and waving a cross.” line, or “And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.”
All of those were created via a game of “telephone”, and modified to their current form by the zeitgeist of the working class.
Did you read this? The article says Marx and Lenin never said it, and that it was misattributed to them. In fact the last link in that article corroborates what I’m saying.
On that note, ask Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht about following the working class zeitgeist to occupy Vorwarts. As for feeling superior, being right is superior to being wrong and a little bit of a liar.
“Lenin wrote, “When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will vie with each other for the rope contract.”
—Major George Racey Jordan”
So, someone quoted as misattributing a quote, is a source?
Did you read this? The article says Marx and Lenin never said it, and that it was misattributed to them. In fact the last link in that article corroborates what I’m saying.
Yes, I did. It says the source is unknown. It doesn’t say the source is a Reich Winger.
On that note, ask Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht about following the working class zeitgeist to occupy Vorwarts.
Yes, I know, people have mis-attributed quotes.
However, the original idea: “Capitalists will sell us the rope to hang them with” is in no way false. Its very accurate. And it’s an idea that was distilled down by the working class into the pithy quote here.
So yes, get a grip, and get to work organizing the working class. Stop worrying about people doing propaganda of the deed, if you’re too scared to do it yourself. Punch up and right, never left.
Its breathtaking to be accused of having a superiority complex by someone who, when confronted with their own ignorance, invents a “working class zeitgeist” to gesture towards as if that means jack or shit.
when confronted with their own ignorance, invents a “working class zeitgeist” to gesture towards as if that means jack or shit.
Name the right winger who purportedly created the “quote”… Otherwise, the best answer is “Groups of people, created this meme, over time, by combining misquotes into the final product here”.
So, as I said, it was created via the zeitgeist of the time among the working class.
The saying, Quote Investigator noted, is frequently attributed to Lenin and former Soviet Union leader Joseph Stalin, though there’s “no substantive evidence” it originated with them either.
The Quote investigator link says:
The earliest strong match located by QI appeared in 1955 within a periodical called “The Commonwealth: Official Journal of the Commonwealth Club of California”. The club is a non-profit public affairs organization. The quotation appeared as a filler item. Emphasis added to excerpts by QI:1
Lenin wrote, “When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will vie with each other for the rope contract.”
—Major George Racey Jordan
Jordan was a U.S. military officer who became a fierce anti-communist. Lenin had died in 1924; hence, the 1955 date was quite late. No documentary source was specified, and multiple researchers have been unable to find a match in Lenin’s writings.
Your own citation says there is no basis for it in Lenin, like what did I just quote?
As I said above, if you can produce this quote, I will send you $50. If you’re not comfortable with that for identity reasons I will send $50 to any charity you specify (that isn’t right wing but you wouldn’t do that) and post the evidence. It is actually worth at least that much to me since I’ve spent an insane amount of time trying to find this reference.
I’ve had hexbears and .mls tell me it came from an obscure periodical that isn’t translated into English, but when I used google translate to convert the entire article, paragraph by paragraph, I never found anything even glancingly close.
If you find a reference by Marx, Luxemburg, Gramsci, Bordiga, Levi, Pannekoek, Plekhanov, Zinoviev, Trotsky, Stalin, Dunayevskaya – basically any major left wing revolutionary theoretician of renown I will still honor the arrangement because it’s worth it to me. Please find the reference or leave me alone. I can’t state my case any better without writing a full length article and I’m tired of this back and forth, I’m sure you are too.
Which letter did Lenin say it? Produce the letter and I’ll send you $50
He didn’t say that, exactly… He said something kinda similar in idea.
https://checkyourfact.com/2019/11/29/fact-check-karl-marx-capitalist-hang-sold-rope-quote/
So, on that note of you feeling some sort of superiority, because you think you know for a fact, the source is a Reich Winger, when the “source” is working class zeitgeist.
Much like how no one person came up with the “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and waving a cross.” line, or “And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.”
All of those were created via a game of “telephone”, and modified to their current form by the zeitgeist of the working class.
Did you read this? The article says Marx and Lenin never said it, and that it was misattributed to them. In fact the last link in that article corroborates what I’m saying.
On that note, ask Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht about following the working class zeitgeist to occupy Vorwarts. As for feeling superior, being right is superior to being wrong and a little bit of a liar.
Please get a grip
“Lenin wrote, “When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will vie with each other for the rope contract.” —Major George Racey Jordan”
So, someone quoted as misattributing a quote, is a source?
Yes, I did. It says the source is unknown. It doesn’t say the source is a Reich Winger.
Yes, I know, people have mis-attributed quotes.
However, the original idea: “Capitalists will sell us the rope to hang them with” is in no way false. Its very accurate. And it’s an idea that was distilled down by the working class into the pithy quote here.
So yes, get a grip, and get to work organizing the working class. Stop worrying about people doing propaganda of the deed, if you’re too scared to do it yourself. Punch up and right, never left.
Its breathtaking to be accused of having a superiority complex by someone who, when confronted with their own ignorance, invents a “working class zeitgeist” to gesture towards as if that means jack or shit.
I’m hardly claiming “superiority” here…
Name the right winger who purportedly created the “quote”… Otherwise, the best answer is “Groups of people, created this meme, over time, by combining misquotes into the final product here”.
So, as I said, it was created via the zeitgeist of the time among the working class.
This actually isn’t real difficult for someone with even a molecule of intellectual honesty.
You posted this link, which you apparently didn’t read: https://checkyourfact.com/2019/11/29/fact-check-karl-marx-capitalist-hang-sold-rope-quote/
The last line of the article says this:
The Quote investigator link says:
Jesus christ, the general was citing something he thought was a quote…
He didn’t make that shit up. Like I said, Lenin wrote something similar years before.
Your own citation says there is no basis for it in Lenin, like what did I just quote?
As I said above, if you can produce this quote, I will send you $50. If you’re not comfortable with that for identity reasons I will send $50 to any charity you specify (that isn’t right wing but you wouldn’t do that) and post the evidence. It is actually worth at least that much to me since I’ve spent an insane amount of time trying to find this reference.
I’ve had hexbears and .mls tell me it came from an obscure periodical that isn’t translated into English, but when I used google translate to convert the entire article, paragraph by paragraph, I never found anything even glancingly close.
If you find a reference by Marx, Luxemburg, Gramsci, Bordiga, Levi, Pannekoek, Plekhanov, Zinoviev, Trotsky, Stalin, Dunayevskaya – basically any major left wing revolutionary theoretician of renown I will still honor the arrangement because it’s worth it to me. Please find the reference or leave me alone. I can’t state my case any better without writing a full length article and I’m tired of this back and forth, I’m sure you are too.