• John Richard@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    No fascism is when you’re against free speech & constantly advocating violence against non-violent people who have exercised free speech, and then when someone does apologize for speech you didn’t like then 5 years later you’re still trying to censor those people.

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      2 days ago

      Freedom of speech =/= freedom of consequences. If people choose not to associate with you because you support & attempt to normalize a movement that has historically committed mass genocide, or - god forbid - they speak negatively about you in an internet forum 5 years down the line, those people are just exercising their free speech.

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      Violence against nazis is good. If you are using your massive platform to normalize nazism, free speech doesn’t apply to you and you should be censored. You don’t beat nazis be engaging with them in the marketplace of ideas.

      This conversation tells me he hasn’t done enough to tell the nazis and their defenders in his audience to fuck off, and without action his apology is worth fuckall.

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        Violence against nazis is good.

        Even wearing a swastika or flying a Nazi flag doesn’t mean you’re a murderer or that you intend to murder people. Many modern Nazis don’t believe that 6 million Jews were murdered and that those were facts made up by powerful Jews, so to claim they intend to murder more people because of it is ridiculous when they don’t believe the murder happened. In fact, what I’ve seen recently online is a prevalence of people like yourself (that I’m hopeful are mostly bot accounts) advocating for murdering & being violent against those who appear to be wearing Nazi symbolism or using some Nazi hand gesture, but who are being non-violent.

        Everyone, even you, has the potential to become violent. That doesn’t mean people should attack you because you have potential to become violent. That is not how free speech works and is fascist behavior.

        This conversation tells me he hasn’t done enough to tell the nazis and their defenders in his audience to fuck off, and without action his apology is worth fuckall.

        He literally apologized and took a multi-year break. His content was mostly just video games and at times a little edgy. Regardless, at what point do you decide you can get more accomplished by volunteering and showing people love through kindness. Here you are talking about how violence is good. Should I follow you around the Internet forever now reminding everyone how you think being violent is a good thing, even after you say you are sorry for it and don’t want to hurt people?

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          When did he apologize? I’d love to see a video where he acknowledges that saying slurs and paying a homeless person to hold a sign that says “kill all Jews” and platforming multiple far right fuckers was wrong

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          Even wearing a swastika or flying a Nazi flag doesn’t mean you’re a murderer or that you intend to murder people

          Are you not familiar with the political program of the nazis? The end result of neonazi’s conspiracies is to justify violence against jews and other minorities.

          He literally apologized

          The apology and break failed to remove nazis from his community and failed to educate their defenders on how you’re supposed to deal with nazis.

          Should I follow you around the Internet forever now reminding everyone how you think being violent is a good thing, even after you say you are sorry for it and don’t want to hurt people?

          You are free to tell anyone I speak to that I advocate for punching nazis. But that’s not even what is being argued here, I am saying because he failed to expel nazis from his community and reeducate them after inviting them in, he shouldn’t be given a platform and people who don’t know any better should be reminded that he has failed to correct his mistake beyond some meaningless words.