That just sounds like autism. Y’all don’t get to be ableist just because the target is a billionaire. He won’t see your comments, but your autistic comrades (including me) will.
Thank you for telling me, an autistic person, that I’m wrong about an autistic trait and that I’m wrong for finding offense in people making fun of said trait. Where would I be without NT “allies”?
No one of my acquaintance has ever made the mistake of thinking I’m neurotypical, nor am I interested in being your ally and I don’t think this posture you’ve chosen to take is doing much for your cause
Oh am I being too uppity? Do I need to be civil when telling people not to be ableist? Or should I just shut up about casual ableism because it might scare off the NTs who don’t want to self crit?
Just because some traits are exhibited by autistic people doesn’t mean that all people who do are autistic. The context can change whether we judge something as acceptable or not.
I am not going to try to a layperson diagnosis of Musk so I can’t say whether he’s on the spectrum or not, but he at least has demonstrated that he’s a cruel, abusive, emotionally manipulative, immature manchild. These are not traits that are intrinsic to autism, he’s genuinely just a shit human being on every level. Some traits do lead to autistic people having reactions with some similarities, but I don’t wanna just jump to the defense of Musk because a thing he’s done is similar to the behavior of an autistic person. There is potential for a ton of behavioral overlap between autistic people and allistic people, and for behaviors exhibited by people with a whole host of other causes.
I am on the spectrum and while I’m loathe to do the “I’m X and I don’t find Y offensive” thing I just don’t see it. Just stating my perspective, I’m genuinely sorry that this stuff has bothered you, but I am trying to seek understanding yknow?
I am not going to try to a layperson diagnosis of Musk
He has literally said he’s autistic.
but I am trying to seek understanding yknow
Have you never had your trust betrayed? Even for something small it can feel like absolute shit. It’s literally about trouble regulating emotion, a very common autistic trait.
I find it kind of worrying that you’re being more charitable to Elon Musk than someone who has stated outright that they’re trying to come to an understanding of your viewpoint.
You say as you’re doing it.
Where I then say I am giving my perspective and this doesn’t make me inherently correct for being autistic. I’m explicitly stating that I’m not more correct or virtuous or something by stating my experience with autism and how it has influenced my own, personal perspective.
Have you never had your trust betrayed? Even for something small it can feel like absolute shit. It’s literally about trouble regulating emotion, a very common autistic trait.
Oh yes I have, and I understand it on the small and large scale betrayals. I have had the course of my life inexorably altered by the personal betrayal and lies of people I thought were close friends, who were also autistic. They were autistic people, who also happened to be scumfucks that were emotionally manipulative liars.
Which seems like the case with Musk. He is a condemnable piece of shit, and I don’t think his behaviors can be solely attributed to being ND, because as demonstrated by plenty of people here and around the world, there are plenty of good supportive kind neurodivergent people who may exhibit the same traits of autism as Musk, but are not reprehensible shitheads like this billionaire apartheid profiteering scumbag.
I never said his entire personality is attributed to autism. I’m talking about the specific behavior mentioned in this post. He didn’t do anything manipulative or abusive here, he got mad then didn’t talk to her for the rest of the day while he was still feeling that emotion.
trying to come to an understanding of your viewpoint.
Sorry. I just fixed my comment before seeing your reply.
Should we not think he’s a piece of shit for berating and casually firing employees
There is a big gap between that and getting mad and not talking to someone for a bit.
At some point I think it’s necessary to distinguish to what degree parts of his behaviour are expressions of neurodivergence and to what degree they’re expressions of simply being a bad person who has no interest in anything except his own whims and desires.
I do distinguish that, and in this case it’s the former. It seems like other people are not able to distinguish that and are instead attributing everything to the latter.
You’re the one conflating all petulant and childish behavior with autism. I don’t behave this way and my neither does my equally autistic partner, so is “stable and mature” behavior also autistic?
Trouble regulating emotion is a very common autistic trait. It’s also considered “petulant and childish” in the eyes of NTs. And that’s exactly what I’m seeing in his response to having his trust betrayed.
In the end, it’s impossible to say for sure whether Elon Musk has autism without a formal diagnosis. While his communication style and behavior may suggest that he is on the autism spectrum, there are other factors that could be at play.
I don’t know if he got autism. For sure there are plenty of other reasons why he acts like that. With labels and without.
spawns a struggle session 
That just sounds like autism. Y’all don’t get to be ableist just because the target is a billionaire. He won’t see your comments, but your autistic comrades (including me) will.
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You are calling autistic behavior “petulant and childish”.
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You’re the only person talking about autism
Because I see people making fun of autistic traits. You think ableism requires a specific mention of a disability?
You saw someone saying they found certain traits obnoxious, ascribed those traits to all autistic people, then chose to take offense
Thank you for telling me, an autistic person, that I’m wrong about an autistic trait and that I’m wrong for finding offense in people making fun of said trait. Where would I be without NT “allies”?
No one of my acquaintance has ever made the mistake of thinking I’m neurotypical, nor am I interested in being your ally and I don’t think this posture you’ve chosen to take is doing much for your cause
Oh am I being too uppity? Do I need to be civil when telling people not to be ableist? Or should I just shut up about casual ableism because it might scare off the NTs who don’t want to self crit?
Just because some traits are exhibited by autistic people doesn’t mean that all people who do are autistic. The context can change whether we judge something as acceptable or not.
I am not going to try to a layperson diagnosis of Musk so I can’t say whether he’s on the spectrum or not, but he at least has demonstrated that he’s a cruel, abusive, emotionally manipulative, immature manchild. These are not traits that are intrinsic to autism, he’s genuinely just a shit human being on every level. Some traits do lead to autistic people having reactions with some similarities, but I don’t wanna just jump to the defense of Musk because a thing he’s done is similar to the behavior of an autistic person. There is potential for a ton of behavioral overlap between autistic people and allistic people, and for behaviors exhibited by people with a whole host of other causes.
I am on the spectrum and while I’m loathe to do the “I’m X and I don’t find Y offensive” thing I just don’t see it. Just stating my perspective, I’m genuinely sorry that this stuff has bothered you, but I am trying to seek understanding yknow?
He has literally said he’s autistic.
Have you never had your trust betrayed? Even for something small it can feel like absolute shit. It’s literally about trouble regulating emotion, a very common autistic trait.
I find it kind of worrying that you’re being more charitable to Elon Musk than someone who has stated outright that they’re trying to come to an understanding of your viewpoint.
Where I then say I am giving my perspective and this doesn’t make me inherently correct for being autistic. I’m explicitly stating that I’m not more correct or virtuous or something by stating my experience with autism and how it has influenced my own, personal perspective.
Oh yes I have, and I understand it on the small and large scale betrayals. I have had the course of my life inexorably altered by the personal betrayal and lies of people I thought were close friends, who were also autistic. They were autistic people, who also happened to be scumfucks that were emotionally manipulative liars.
Which seems like the case with Musk. He is a condemnable piece of shit, and I don’t think his behaviors can be solely attributed to being ND, because as demonstrated by plenty of people here and around the world, there are plenty of good supportive kind neurodivergent people who may exhibit the same traits of autism as Musk, but are not reprehensible shitheads like this billionaire apartheid profiteering scumbag.
I never said his entire personality is attributed to autism. I’m talking about the specific behavior mentioned in this post. He didn’t do anything manipulative or abusive here, he got mad then didn’t talk to her for the rest of the day while he was still feeling that emotion.
Sorry. I just fixed my comment before seeing your reply.
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There is a big gap between that and getting mad and not talking to someone for a bit.
I do distinguish that, and in this case it’s the former. It seems like other people are not able to distinguish that and are instead attributing everything to the latter.
You’re the one conflating all petulant and childish behavior with autism. I don’t behave this way and my neither does my equally autistic partner, so is “stable and mature” behavior also autistic?
Trouble regulating emotion is a very common autistic trait. It’s also considered “petulant and childish” in the eyes of NTs. And that’s exactly what I’m seeing in his response to having his trust betrayed.
We’re not mocking him for showing autistic traits. We’re mocking him for displaying
traits.
I have explained elsewhere how it is an autistic trait.
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Not all autistic people are gmers. Nor is gming addiction something only autistic people get.
It’s about the response to having your trust betrayed, not games specifically.
I don’t know if he got autism. For sure there are plenty of other reasons why he acts like that. With labels and without.
He has literally said he does.
Good bit
Not really tbh
Not a bit.
is this not a bit? im assuming this is a bit
Death to America
I’ve already said this isn’t a bit. And I’ve gone on to give extensive explanation.
Assuming that an autistic person calling out ableism is a bit is pretty shitty, whether or not you agree with the callout. Please don’t do that.
If it means anything to you I made a comment about this voicing similar thoughts
Thank you. And you definitely expressed it better than I did or could have.