With Plex adding “Live TV” and all the other shit for the past 6 years, their enshittification isn’t new. Most people I know still on Plex are only doing so because they paid for a lifetime pass. They’re full on sunk-cost-fallacy.
Still not worth, I have a lifetime plex pass but have switched 100% to Jellyfin now. Enshittification was part of it, but their response to the privacy hack was the last straw.
I’m still on Plex because the app experience just isn’t there on Jellyfin yet. It’s close, but switching audio/subtitle tracks is not as intuitive or straightforward as I want yet. I’m thinking it will probably be ready for my server in a year or two.
Really? I hit the subtitle track button on my remote and select english, and that’s only for not-automatically chosen files whenever that happens. I watch a fuckton of Animes and 95% of the time it’s automatically chosen. I’m using an Android TV client though.
Ditto for audio - I hit the little Music Note icon, and every audio track is there for me to select.
Might be that the Roku app is/wasn’t quite up to the same standard as the Android TV one. I also remember not liking how they handled something in their official Android app, but it’s been six months. I honestly don’t remember. I just have a reminder to check it out again next summer.
Ah, I can’t stand advertisements so I couldn’t put up with Roku equipment. Ads everywhere. And yeah, since “Roku OS” is proprietary, it probably didn’t see the same adoption as more standard stuff (Like, even just FireTV sticks are Android at least, so the vanilla client works on those)
Signs we are going to have another pandemic? Is this like a general “we know we aren’t prepared” or like “there is a virus outbreak that hasn’t hit the media yet”?
Tech has always been geared towards losing money to provide a valuable service but the understanding from investors who don’t loan for free is that at some point you turn on the profit engine. Some tech companies are able to generate revenue without necessarily making their product awful for users, but the more pull and pressure investors have, and the more driven by impatience, the enshittifier things become.
The Fed turning off the free money tap last year by starting to raise interest rates was an inevitable wake up call for investors that they needed to change their model to start profiting or at least lose less. Many, many companies, users and products are experiencing US’s investors-first-and-only capitalism’s inevitable end; it destroys the good it created. Companies without long-term investors or leverage to hold off investors willing to kill the golden goose either enshittify, or if they don’t have a way to enshittify, go under.
There seems to be a pattern in services like this where they launch as a good idea that’s under priced and take off like a rocket, then growth levels off as everyone is either already using the service or never will regardless of what they do. Once you reach that point, however, you still need to show revenue growth because capitalism, so if you can’t get more users you either have to make the service more expensive for the users you have, or cheaper to run. The former we see happening all over the place, and the latter is actually a good thing in limited amounts as unnecessary parts are trimmed off, but will almost always also result in useful features being axed. Hence why everything seems to be getting more expensive and worse.
I’ve got gigs of music and rip all my Blu-rays. Jellyfin was a shock! Runs so much smoother, streaming faster. I had no idea streaming over my network can be effectively lag free. It’s also nice having a choice of players, some work better for Android Auto, some better on my Windows desktop etc.
The scrubbing in Jelly is insanely snappy to me. My existing player hooks right into and even has a sync extension that makes it all even snappier.
I was running a samba share before but moving to a proper media server opened up another world. Also love how easy it is to edit metadata and even add to it (I’ve opened a moviedb account adding missing covers and other art).
I use the jellyfish app on both chrome tv and fire tv sticks. Works great. I did have one issue and had to set the default playback in both apps to something (internal?) to fix some audio sync issues.
I would love to switch but there’s two things stopping me: Less support (if any?) for multi-users and remote access, and less app support especially when transcoding is needed. Also would be nice to not lose Overseerr when switching, I’m sure there’s a fork of that though.
And while there is less app support in terms of clients the transcoding is actually better. It doesn’t need a Plex Pass for hardware transcoding and it has way more options. You can do things like encode in H.265 (if the client supports it) and fine tune the tonemapping for HDR.
On desktop there is sonixd and its rewrite feishin. I prefer sonixd for now but feishin will probably be better as developmenrt continues. On mobile there are a lot of options if you search. The obvious one being Finamp which is very simple but solid. Although I am a big fan of Symfonium even though it’s not FOSS.
Can I make an account for someone without knowing their password?
Last I tried, literally the only way to create a user was to enter a password. Without something like an email or link to create an account remotely, it’s a non-starter for me.
This is the year of the Jellyfin desktop
Year of the enshitification, more like.
It feels like every company just decided 2023 was the year they finally pulled the trigger and tried to cash-out and bail.
With Plex adding “Live TV” and all the other shit for the past 6 years, their enshittification isn’t new. Most people I know still on Plex are only doing so because they paid for a lifetime pass. They’re full on sunk-cost-fallacy.
Still not worth, I have a lifetime plex pass but have switched 100% to Jellyfin now. Enshittification was part of it, but their response to the privacy hack was the last straw.
I’m still on Plex because the app experience just isn’t there on Jellyfin yet. It’s close, but switching audio/subtitle tracks is not as intuitive or straightforward as I want yet. I’m thinking it will probably be ready for my server in a year or two.
Really? I hit the subtitle track button on my remote and select english, and that’s only for not-automatically chosen files whenever that happens. I watch a fuckton of Animes and 95% of the time it’s automatically chosen. I’m using an Android TV client though.
Ditto for audio - I hit the little Music Note icon, and every audio track is there for me to select.
Might be that the Roku app is/wasn’t quite up to the same standard as the Android TV one. I also remember not liking how they handled something in their official Android app, but it’s been six months. I honestly don’t remember. I just have a reminder to check it out again next summer.
Ah, I can’t stand advertisements so I couldn’t put up with Roku equipment. Ads everywhere. And yeah, since “Roku OS” is proprietary, it probably didn’t see the same adoption as more standard stuff (Like, even just FireTV sticks are Android at least, so the vanilla client works on those)
Emby FTW! I left plex a couple of years ago, and Emby has been great.
I feel like Emby, as a for-profit company will eventually go down the same path as Plex.
This, I paid their lifetime Plex pass at a huge discount and bailed on it when they started adding shit and ruining it. Jellyfin since then.
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Signs we are going to have another pandemic? Is this like a general “we know we aren’t prepared” or like “there is a virus outbreak that hasn’t hit the media yet”?
Tech has always been geared towards losing money to provide a valuable service but the understanding from investors who don’t loan for free is that at some point you turn on the profit engine. Some tech companies are able to generate revenue without necessarily making their product awful for users, but the more pull and pressure investors have, and the more driven by impatience, the enshittifier things become.
The Fed turning off the free money tap last year by starting to raise interest rates was an inevitable wake up call for investors that they needed to change their model to start profiting or at least lose less. Many, many companies, users and products are experiencing US’s investors-first-and-only capitalism’s inevitable end; it destroys the good it created. Companies without long-term investors or leverage to hold off investors willing to kill the golden goose either enshittify, or if they don’t have a way to enshittify, go under.
Interest rates. No free money.
Interest rates went up and the flood of money from investors went down.
Investors are probably demanding a return on their massive amounts of speculative investing in the tech industry.
There seems to be a pattern in services like this where they launch as a good idea that’s under priced and take off like a rocket, then growth levels off as everyone is either already using the service or never will regardless of what they do. Once you reach that point, however, you still need to show revenue growth because capitalism, so if you can’t get more users you either have to make the service more expensive for the users you have, or cheaper to run. The former we see happening all over the place, and the latter is actually a good thing in limited amounts as unnecessary parts are trimmed off, but will almost always also result in useful features being axed. Hence why everything seems to be getting more expensive and worse.
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It’s great. Clean, minimal. Love it. Plex is like a titanic. Way too much heft for me. It’s also corporate, so hard pass
I’ve got gigs of music and rip all my Blu-rays. Jellyfin was a shock! Runs so much smoother, streaming faster. I had no idea streaming over my network can be effectively lag free. It’s also nice having a choice of players, some work better for Android Auto, some better on my Windows desktop etc.
The scrubbing in Jelly is insanely snappy to me. My existing player hooks right into and even has a sync extension that makes it all even snappier.
I was running a samba share before but moving to a proper media server opened up another world. Also love how easy it is to edit metadata and even add to it (I’ve opened a moviedb account adding missing covers and other art).
Unfortunately Plex is a catchy name though. I’ve been with Jelly for a few years now and still call it Plex sometimes
I would be on Jellyfin now if they had a good Xbox app.
Lack of an official tvOS app and Plex being easy to set up for my family keeps me from switching.
I made the switch this week. Jellyfin took about 10 minutes to set up and left it overnight to scan my files. I only had to make a few corrections.
You can always try it out in a VM or container or even run both at once.
You can cast it onto a chrome cast though I haven’t tried this yet.
It has to be as easy as plex is for watching for me to switch, otherwise my wife won’t go for it.
Yeah exactly. My girlfriend is not tech savvy. It needs to be as easy as Netflix, meaning I need it to run on the smart tv.
Casting is as easy as it is on plex, I have a plex lifetime pass and can’t think of anything useful it does that jellyfin can’t do too.
I use the jellyfish app on both chrome tv and fire tv sticks. Works great. I did have one issue and had to set the default playback in both apps to something (internal?) to fix some audio sync issues.
I would love to switch but there’s two things stopping me: Less support (if any?) for multi-users and remote access, and less app support especially when transcoding is needed. Also would be nice to not lose Overseerr when switching, I’m sure there’s a fork of that though.
Putting Jellyfin behind a reverse proxy and making multiple users are both well supported features.
And wait until you hear about Jellyseer!
I suppose it might be time to try! Last I tried Jellyfin, multiuser wasn’t really a thing.
And while there is less app support in terms of clients the transcoding is actually better. It doesn’t need a Plex Pass for hardware transcoding and it has way more options. You can do things like encode in H.265 (if the client supports it) and fine tune the tonemapping for HDR.
Is there a replacement for Plexamp, though?
There’s Finamp. It is quite basic, but does the job.
On desktop there is sonixd and its rewrite feishin. I prefer sonixd for now but feishin will probably be better as developmenrt continues. On mobile there are a lot of options if you search. The obvious one being Finamp which is very simple but solid. Although I am a big fan of Symfonium even though it’s not FOSS.
That must have been a long time ago. They have had it for ages!
Can I make an account for someone without knowing their password?
Last I tried, literally the only way to create a user was to enter a password. Without something like an email or link to create an account remotely, it’s a non-starter for me.
https://jfa-go.com/
Awesome, thanks