The table is quite big (190+ lines of hand-written HTML) and it doesn’t fit on mobile phone screens unless you zoom out. It should be fine on desktop. It also specifies the criteria followed and has analysis of some of the IMs in the table (not close to all of them, I hope to add more analysis in the future).

Counter-arguments are always welcome. Sources and additional information too. Note that the typical privacy recommendation (Signal) is not recommended here. It does not meet our criteria, being centralized and requiring a phone number. I don’t want to hate on Signal since it’s doing a decent job spreading the importance of E2EE, however we can not recommend it for the given reasons.

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    10 months ago

    There’s a million of these lists, all chosen critera’s chosen carefully or outright false to fit their bias. Like why the hell is electron mentioned in a privacy comparison? XMPP is a protocol too, not a client, which makes comparison to Element make no sense, why would they not compare it to Matrix and ignore all of their other features? This list is complete shit.

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    SimpleX being a hybrid p2p model means that it leaks more metadata to 3rd parties than XMPP for example.

    They explicitly recommend using Tor with Simplex for that reason.

    I would suggest you change the “meta data” field for it to “probably ok”, but the design of the system makes it a risk factor, so without Tor it is probably more of a “barely ok”.

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    The latest specifications for OMEMO (XMPP) do some meta-data protection similar to Signal, but admittably few clients (Moxxy & Kaidan) support it so far and roll-out has been very slow.

    I would suggest to change it to “bad” and write “work in progress” or so.

  • I want to like SimpleX, but (a) notifications on Android are iffy, and (b) there’s no multi-device support. (A) I could live with, but (b) makes it a non-starter. I did try “make a group and add every device as a different user,” but it’s hard, confusing, and I simply can not ask my friends and family go through that shit just to IM. There’s a ticket for multi-device sync and a comment that it’s on the roadmap, but low priority. If that gets implemented, I’m on board. Until then, it isn’t feasible to ask a bunch of non-tech people top switch.

    As a side note, who only ever uses one device? How can multiple device sync not be a core feature of every chat design? I find this baffling.