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    i posted about this Nazi and then had a debate with my close friend. He’s like, an anarchist or something, but he has the most lib take on Ukraine.

    I pointed out all the nazis and nazi monuments, he says “what about Americas confederate statues?” I said both could be bad and that moving the goalposts and whatboutism.

    Then he said he supports the right to self determination for Ukraine. So i said what about Donbass aka LPR and DPR. He said that’s a Russian psyop, and it doesnt matter that eastern Ukraine is mostly ethnic Russians. He said he’d support Barcelona leaving Spain if they did it “democratically.” Like fucking lol. #vote

    Of course, he’s an “anti-authoritarian” who basically hates all “dictators” like Stalin, and he doesn’t like China at all either. He also wants the wealthy to get redacted. This is why I can’t take anyone seriously when they just spout off against all “authority.” I think it mostly stems from him hating his mother and still acting like a petulant teenager. Authority isn’t going anywhere, it will always be around in one form or another. And anybody who can’t even critically support current and former AES just sounds like a stupid leftist who will truly get nothing done. You can’t just skip every step and end up at anarchy, that’s an 16 year olds view of anarchism.

    • I sent this to my libertarian-turned-lib friend and he immediately said, “Oh he must have been Ukranian Resistance after the war.” But they said he fought in WWII. “Oh well it was late in the war and he didn’t get convicted of any war crimes.” Libs refuse to believe that any Ukrainian can do wrong throughout history now. Canada is apologizing profusely today because they “didn’t know the guy was a Nazi.”

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        “Russia bad” syndrome is pretty fucking insane, its crazy to see people still clinging to cold war rhetoric, especially being born after the cold war. My “anarchist” friend seems to think NATO is a good thing, like it’s not imperialist or unjust in any way. He’s ok with what happened in Libya. That on top of never find an actually existing Socialist state to support just shows me that libs like him don’t support a real path to revolution. I think my friend is just a stupid idealist, who thinks we can revolution and skip all the other steps and get right to anarchism or pure communism. But that isn’t going to happen unless the revolution is worldwide(which is probably won’t be)

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          When someone claims to be an anarchist but they support NATO its just… ok you SAY you’re against all states but somehow you’re for a military alliance of multiple… states? Thats not anarchism anymore.

          Like I may disagree heavily with anarchists who include AES states in their “I"m against all states” stuff but if they are actually consistent about hating states and hate the imperialist powers too then like, at least thats consistent. But so often its not that way. Being “anti-authoritarian” just ends up being an excuse to follow the US state department line to a T.

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            this stupid nerd was in model UN so i think he still hasnt shaken those brainworms.

            it’s impossible to be revolutionary and anti authoritarian. like ok, so we won’t oppress class traitors etc during or after the revolution, because it’s anti authoritarian? how the fuck couldnt anyone plan to win like that? even just taking all of their money and property would be authoritarianism.