Reading about FOSS philosophy, degoogling, becoming against corporations, and now a full-blown woke communist (like Linus Torvalds)
Reading about FOSS philosophy, degoogling, becoming against corporations, and now a full-blown woke communist (like Linus Torvalds)
I am a full blown capitalist, and I despise google and the entire online ad industry and its tracking, I’d say all of my apps (except for games) are foss or atleast somewhat open source
how are being a capitalist and despising the direct product of capitalism compatible lol?
Like asking ‘how can you be a marxist if you don’t love every single person?’
There are companies I like and companies I don’t like. Capitalism is all about having the choice to pick what I buy and what I use. Shitty companies are free to fail. That’s actually a really important part of capitalism.
uh huh. because our current system has definitely demonstrated that shitty companies fail, right? i don’t know how you can look at the landscape of modern corporations and come away with the thought that capitalism has in any way increased our freedom to choose, or that that really important part actually in practice weeds out shitty business practices in any way.
what companies do you like? are any of them the large multinational corporations swallowing up every speck of available market share and spiraling us towards climate apocalypse? if so, you’re wrong.
me: looks at cereal aisle at the local grocery store
No…I think i’ve got plenty of choices, thanks. In which areas do you feel like your freedom to chose is badly impinged-upon?
Do you want a list of tech companies that have been allowed to fail? It’s a very long list.
I’m typing this on NixOS on a Framework laptop. Very happy with both. Both were products of (*gasp*) capitalism!
I’m sitting in a 20-year-old La-Z-Boy chair. Not the most beautiful, but it sure is comfortable, and it’s in good condition for it’s age.
Sipping on a nice red wine. Don’t remember the company–it was a random pick, one of thousands of choices. Anyway, it’s great, I’m enjoying it. Snacking on some corn nuts from Trader Joes.
That’s just a few companies whose products I appreciate, and am interacting with right this instant.
Google annoys me sometimes. I’m kinda de-googling, and it’s harder than it ought to be. Still: totally doable. Microsoft was a huge PITA back in the 90s and 00s, but these days they don’t affect me at all. It didn’t fail, but it changed in major ways, and more to the point it became irrelevant in important ways.
Overall, when I compare the system I’m living in with the alternatives that we’ve tried in the past…well, it’s very much a no-brainer.
“The Illusion Of Choice”
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Whew, okay.
…Are a thing. They’re around. But the vast majority of people in the US (much less Europe and other developed countries, with developed public transportation) have easy access to fresh food. This…just isn’t a huge deal. It’s a public policy tweak away from being solved.
Amazon has a shitload of competitors in every sector. AliExpress, Best Buy, Walmart, Etsy, Wayfair, etc etc etc. But Amazon is solid as hell, so people stick with them. If they slip, people have endless options.
Don’t care. I mean, I feel for the owners, but…you know that like 90% of everybody in the Western world worked in agriculture? Including all my great-grandparents. But then they got outcompeted by more successful farmers (including corporate operations in some cases) and ended up shutting down and selling their place. None of my grandparents worked in agriculture.
Was that a tragedy, for me or for them? Do I wish I still owned a dozen acres of land in the middle of the Canadian prairies, on which I could grow just enough to sustain myself? Lol, the fuck do you think?
Small businesses are lost to progress. This is great.
I’ve been buying more repairable devices. Thus the Framework laptop. And the government is putting pressure on companies to allow repairs, which is good. In the end, though, this is our fault, because we’re a bunch of short-sighted assholes who are distracted by shiny things. We don’t have to be.
Why on earth would I care? Again, beyond those two companies, there are a thousand up-and-comers, so if the big guys slip there will be alternatives. In the meantime? They do a really fucking good job. If the government operated like Post, I’d enjoy going to the DMV.
…In countries that are resolutely authoritarian or anarchic, and non-capitalist. I hope some day China escapes it’s authoritarian tendencies, and Africa manages to pull itself together. If they just establish functioning market economies, then the problem is solved.
Exploiting those noncapitalist countries. Shame on them. I have no problem punishing them accordingly.
Yeah, that sucks, we should do something about that.
But the ‘wealth’ bar falls every day. People in Africa are able to access AIDS medication so successfully that I read recently it’s on the path to eradication. And there just isn’t a form of government where everybody gets what they need, and nobody has proposed such a government, or a path to get to it, so it’s kinda fucking irrelevant, isn’t it?
No, reality is causing massive human suffering, and capitalism is the single best tool we have to ameliorate it. Suffering is normal from any sane reading of history. But we’ve driven the share of people in serious poverty, on the verge of famine and starvation, from 80+% a century ago to well under 20% today. There’s a lot of causes for that, but capitalism is high on the list.
East India Company was a monopoly grant by the crown of England. They had an army. They weren’t capitalist, they were colonialist. I know you can’t tell a difference between Amazon shipping you a shirt you bought from them voluntarily because you wanted a shirt, and the East India Company using their military to extract taxes from the natives using fear and violence, but to me it’s a pretty significant difference.
Famines, again, were completely normal until relatively recently. Look up the the most fatal events in human history, and a whole lot of them are famines in China or India–most of them long before Westerners ever turned up. Saying “capitalism sucks, because there were famines that overlapped with the rise of capitalism!” is like saying “This house sucks, because while we were in the process of building it, before we had a proper roof, we got rained on! We should tear the house down again!”
Fuck this is exhausting.
It’s true that capitalism isn’t perfect, and even more to the point, it doesn’t exist in a perfect world: people trade for goods on open markets, and at the same time there are enslaved people in Africa. People pool their resources to fund enterprises that offer goods & services for sale, and even as they do so, the American government works to achieve policy objectives which I don’t personally agree with. Giving people the freedom to buy, sell, work, and invest as they please has fantastically increased the wellbeing of those people & countries who participated, but it hasn’t solved literally every problem in the world (especially in places that have very specifically not participated).
So you want to rise up and shut down the markets and ban enterprise. In it’s place you have nothing. You have no working system to replace it. Nobody has proposed anything that could take it’s place in anything but the vaguest, most loose terms possible. “What if everything was like…better, man?” Fucking useless. Anyway, even if you did have a goal, you have no politically viable means to reach it. Historically, the best anybody has come up with was, “hey, how about we just kill a bunch of people who are better off than we are, then sit around and talk about how much better things could be?” Then somebody with charisma gathers enough followers to seize power, and things get really fucked up.
Until you have an amazing vision and a bulletproof plan to achieve it, you’re just whining. And I haven’t seen anything even beginning to approach a half-baked vision. I am profoundly unimpressed. At the same time I think you (and others like you) suffer from a profound lack of perspective on where we are and how impressive it is that we got here.
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How can someone claim to be a communist if they’re still eating every day?
food insecurity is a huge problem in many places today, including in some of the wealthiest countries on the world. there aren’t too many communist regimes around to blame for it anymore.
How can someone claim to be a capitalist if they’re still eating every day?
You’re not a full blown capitalist my friend
Im sure you know more about me then I do, But I wont get into this argument, seems pointless
A capitalist gets all their money from investments. It’s not about what you believe in .
You are probably right, it does seem kinda pointless. A full blown capitalist embraces capitalism to its fullest and believes in its values. FOSS kinda contradicts that and hurts capitalism. You should support the economy and pay other companies to develop, manage, license, (…) your software.
Oh I have to disagree here. FOSS is about free as in freedom not free as in beer. Make as much money as you care to with your FOSS software.
How?
Reduced Revenue for Proprietary Software: FOSS provides free alternatives to proprietary software, potentially reducing the revenue streams for companies selling proprietary software.
Commoditization of Software: FOSS can turn software, which might otherwise be a product to be sold, into a commodity. As a result, traditional software companies have to find new ways to monetize, often through services or specialized solutions.
Reduction in Competitive Advantage: Companies that once had a unique software product might find it hard to compete when there’s an equivalent open-source alternative available.
Change in Business Models: The rise of FOSS has forced many companies to adapt their business models. Instead of selling software licenses, they may need to offer services, support, or other value-added products.
Innovation and Collaboration over Profit: The FOSS philosophy emphasizes community-driven development, which can prioritize innovation and collaboration over profit-making.
Was this generated by chatgpt?
It’s impossible for me to definitively confirm whether a specific text was generated by ChatGPT or another version of GPT-3 (or a different AI model altogether) just by reading it. The content provided is factual and consistent with how FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) is often described, but it could have been written by anyone knowledgeable about the topic. It’s important to remember that GPT-3 produces outputs based on the information it has been trained on, but similar sentences or ideas can also be formulated by humans or other AI models.
Did you see me ask for regulation againts it? I dont think so, again, this seems pointless
What kind of argument is seeing you pushing regulations against it? The question was if you are a full blown capitalist and if you support FOSS, you are most certainly not. You have to stop coming off as an american.
Im not an american.
Supporting foss doesnt make me not a capitalist, capitalism in its root is personal choice, and I choose FOSS over proprietery, and its fine
The root oft capitalism is not having options to freely choose …
Yes, it is, even you know that, deny it all you’d like.
And don’t even think about saying that about communism, because its not