So there was a bit of a heated discussion recently on the topic of “anti-white” or “reverse” racism and we (some of the mods) figured we would clarify some rules for this community:
- “White people” is a very vague term. Having low expectations of people in the imperial core is understandable for someone in the Global South, but it’s better to be specific. Saying “I’m racist against white people” when you mean “I don’t trust the average person in <insert imperialist country>” is going to cause misunderstandings
- People who were racist in the past are not necessarily racist in the present. Many of us were liberals before becoming Marxists, and there’s a significant overlap between liberals and racists
- No matter your ethnicity, don’t use terms like “subhuman” or “orc” to describe yourself and your group; it may make others uncomfortable
- Don’t call for violence (particularly against ethnic groups, but it’s best to avoid it in general so the instance doesn’t get in trouble)
- Stick to Lemmygrad’s rules of good-faith discussion
that’s all, folks
It’s important to always remember why we hate the “white men” and see them as evil, some seem to forget that it’s about historical and hierarchal issues, not inherit faults with skin color and lack of spice in food.
A lot of pale ethnic groups that got nothing to do with colonialism or were even victims of colonialism sometimes get lumped with white people hate because of this, which is hurtful ig.
I think there would be a benefit to introducing a new term that describes the ruling class of imperial core entities and their populace without generalizing based on skin color, similar to “zionist” maybe. Also, it’s gotta be hip fr fr.
Edit: oh yeah, and white people in the imperial core are also not the source of the problem obviously. I don’t know why I forgot to write about that. @ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml wrote better than I could ever do read their reply.
Part of the issue is lumping in the populace, as if they can not be educated or join in the revolutionary cause. Even Fidel Castro, said and I quote “In Cuba we have never cultivated hatred against the American people or blamed them for the aggressions perpetrated by the governments of that country. That would have run contrary to our political doctrines and our internationalist conscience, both well-proven throughout many years, and increasingly rooted in our ideas.” We are communists, sure we struggle aganst the capitalist class, and aganst imperalism, but we should not stoop so low as to condemn entire groups of people just because of where they are from. To quote Castro once more "“The Revolution’s work is not limited to material work, it has worked on people’s consciousness, on their soul, preparing the human being as the human being of tomorrow, of the future, should be, and fighting against the lies, fighting against the dirtiest and gross propaganda, fighting against blockade and fighting against the harassment that tries to weaken the Revolution, to weaken its morale, its consciousness”. we cannot do that if we demonize groups of people for traits they cannot control.
Hell, Castro is objectively white with how his family were wealthy landowners directly from Spain. Whiteness is such a meaningless distinction.
Zionist refers to a follower or adherent to the ideology of Zionism. It’s meaning (besides as a dog whistle by some Neo-Nazis) isn’t in reference to someone being more in occupied Palestine or being Jewish.
Yeah, perfect term since saying “fuck zionists” won’t include someone who I didn’t mean to say “fuck you” to
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It’s not just ruling classes and racists that they’re referring to when they say white people. I think they’re expressing prejudice against white supremacy and western chauvinism. A lot of people in western countries who wouldn’t consider themselves racists still have beliefs that are white supremacists and chauvinist. Lumping people together like that is probably not inclusive behavior though.
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Ya there are lots of words for that: sell out, uncle tom, traitor, etc. I think the most neutral term for that is opportunist haha.
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My bad, I’m not really good with wording and I could’ve explained better. Obviously I don’t lump the average white person with their ruling class that would would go against communist beliefs.