It’s hard to take seriously someone who talks about carbon neutrality while traveling to Iceland for tourism. Ah, but you offset your transoceanic flights? Oh, that’s fine then, it’s not like offsets are all too often a distraction without substance.
And let’s not even get started on the amount of overtourism in Iceland. It’s a country of 400k people with >2.2M tourists, mostly concentrated in July.
I mean, I’m happy they had a good time, the part that annoys me is the attempt to pass it as some kind of revolutionary green-economy solution. It seems to me simply a greenwashed version of your usual overspendy, high-waste, prestige Californian wedding.
People want their marriage ceremonies to be special. America for them is an every day occurrence.
I mean I asked about Sailboats from North America to Europe earlier and people scoffed at me for suggesting that idea. Greta Thunberg uses that mode of transport, but it’s not the most accessible for everyone.
Are people supposed to stay within their own continents and never traverse beyond that?
I’m sure you decided to write this criticism because you saw the “bad” vegan word.
People want their marriage ceremonies to be special. America for them is an every day occurrence.
I am married. I did not, for a second, want my wedding to be “special”. I wanted it to be sweet, pleasant, and a moment of sharing with people I love. So I kept theatricality to a strict minimum, invested the budget on good food, and tried to minimize everyone’s travel distance (within reason, people came over from 4 countries, luckily all within Europe).
I mean I asked about Sailboats from North America to Europe earlier and people scoffed at me for suggesting that idea. Greta Thunberg uses that mode of transport, but it’s not the most accessible for everyone.
Are people supposed to stay within their own continents and never traverse beyond that?
Traveling by sailboat is indeed not realistic. Right now there is no realistically sustainable way to travel between continents. We will need to decarbonize air travel, and that’s not going to be cheap. At the moment, you’ll just have to decide when it’s worth it for you, without deluding yourself with carbon offsets. This year I am doing two, both for work, and there is no way to avoid them without having to do unacceptable compromises on the quality of the work I do.
I’m sure you decided to write this criticism because you saw the “bad” vegan word.
I have nothing against vegans, I have a lot of vegan friends :-P
Jokes aside, the vegan food looks really quite good, and it probably was also very good. And local products too. I’d say there’s a good reason why Scandinavian cuisine is so hot right now.
There simply were a few things that rubbed me the wrong way.
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It seems out of scope for the community.
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I don’t really care for seeing the wedding pictures of strangers on the Internet, as cool as they may look (they do look cool).
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Carbon offsets are mostly greenwashing. The article title is screaming “you can have you cake, eat it too, and not get fat”. No you can’t.
No, you do have a problem with vegans, you’re putting an impossible standard on them that you yourself do not hold yourself to while completely glossing over the environmental harms of eating animal products over someone flying overseas once in a while. Are people not allowed to visit their families in Europe and Africa now from the US because you said so, that sounds ridiculous placing that blame only on vegans who are trying to minimize their impact.
Having a marriage yourself doesn’t give you the right to pass judgement on how other people choose to spend their special days.
They always attack the do-gooders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do-gooder_derogation
https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/in-love-and-war/201706/why-some-people-resent-do-gooders
Exploring the biophysical option space for feeding the world without deforestation
"This analysis of 500 diet scenarios. They operated under the premise that preserving the worlds forests is a high-priority goal. They found veganism comes out far ahead consistently in real life scenarios with respect to the goal of preserving the worlds forests. "
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms11382
Producing a kilogram of beef emits 60 kilograms of greenhouse gases; peas emit just 1 kilogram
You don’t seem to want to understand what I write.
I’ll try to be shorter:
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I didn’t criticize the veganism, or the wedding itself. I criticized the article about it.
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I dislike the glamorous articles about someone’s cool wedding. From a regular couple all the way to the royal weddings.
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Carbon offsets are largely a lie. If I told you that I eat carbon neutral beef wouldn’t you tell me that I’m full of it? (I would be)
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I definitely don’t set standards for anyone. Fly as much as you need. Just maybe don’t lie to yourself about it.
Yet you’re only commenting below because they’re vegans to make yourself seem better while ignoring the effects beef does to our environment like having the Amazon cleared out for it and workers exploited in slaughterhouses.
Don’t steel-man your argument, I see your Carnist-centric viewpoint a km away.
Fine, I’ll avoid commenting under anything else that mentions vegans. But you should consider the possibility that you may be reading a little too much into other people’s intentions.
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It’s just not reasonable to go continent hopping yeah.
If you can make do without meat, they you can make do without aeroplanes and sailing the Atlantic is not something everyone can do
No sometimes you can’t make do without flying over the Atlantic, whether you avoid meat or not. Everyone has a scale of values, and sometimes the price of avoiding flights entirely is just too high. I dare say often. And, depending on the reasons, not all flights are the same.
Also, avoiding meat may or may not be related to global warming, everyone has their reasons.
A Buddhist immigrant that completely avoids meat, may still want to visit their family of origin once a year, whether they worry about the climate or not. To make an obvious example, but I could quote academic exchanges or many others.
Let’s make up all the rules in the world for vegans. How dare they be more ethical and more sustainable, they’re not allowed to have fun like me because they don’t have the same vices, I want to discriminate and hate them for no reason.
They need to achieve absolute perfection. Even if it’s literally impossible. I need a moment to rally against good healthy people.
I dont understand why you think vegans have more of a right to have a transatlantic wedding than others… I guess in the USA there is no shame in flying
Yet you only focus criticizing vegans on transatlantic weddings.
Yeah okay whatever
