I am taking part in a uni course about the Feminist revolution in Iran. The lecturer has been going over the Iranian revolution in 1979 in a very, shall we say, interesting way.

I do not want to discredit their pov on this as I am obviously a Westoid, but the way this is being framed is that before the revolution things were better for women. The lecturer said the revolution happened because people disliked the Shah having more than others, but she did not elaborate this in any way. One would think the complaints of people were pretty big for them to start a revolution? But I know very little about this.

After the revolution women were to have equal rights, but over the next years the dictatorship which is named as Islamic removed them and things like the hijab became mandatory. She stated that people were given false promises and betrayed and this is why the people sided with the revolution. Where does this framing come from? Was it the same people going for revolution that ended up in places of power?

Now my understanding is that the social democratic movement there was destroyed by the West in the 50s and the following twenty+ years under the Shah led to a sort of pseudorevolution that wasn’t entirely progressive in nature. Is this correct or wrong?

Also how did the revolutionary force become so deeply conservative? The lecturer told us that before this there was no national religion as such and things like wearing a scarf were personal choices. This was then turned into a mandatory thing starting from workplace dresscode to eventually all public life, however at home people to this day do not follow these norms.

The Women Life Freedom movement is then a result of the way these last decades have eroded all womens rights.

I will include the following questions as well:

If this reactionary tendency in societies is always high, how do we make sure our revolution does not lead to something like this? Or was this all external influence?

If we accept that there always tends to be external influence, what can we do to make sure the reactionary force does not get on top and be in a position to dictate things like womens rights? (I am spesifically thinking of Hamas in Palestine now being the force that is driving change, if they stay in power, won’t that easily result in a second Iran when it comes to Islamic nationalism/minority rights?)

How then can we engage in critical support of operators who have a high chance of creating systems of oppression?

Any history on Iran, feminism and ML and other thought very welcome.

  • NoLeftLeftWhereILive@hexbear.netOP
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    Thank you so much for this answer. Gave me lot to think about and read about. What throws me most with this course is the teacher is from Iran, this course is about the Women Life Freedom movement spesifically. I get that no nation or people are a monolith in any way, same as their view of history or the rights of women, but I struggle to undestand how positively she seems to be framing the Shah era. Also stated that many women worked and studied in uni at the time.

    How much is the history of the revolution talked about in Iran and how might it be framed? She said that in schools history is only taught for the time after the revolution and everything before that is not taught at all. Like history starts from the revolution.

    The way she said all actors and performers left the country after the revolution also felt a bit odd.

    Is there a particular propaganda angle where all this might be coming from?

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      It may not necessarily be propaganda… The revolution was 45 years ago. If the prof is 60-70, they would have been in their early 20s. Not to say theyre misremembering their experience but they may have totally had a different class upbringing or really never saw what others went thru. It could definitely be the more affluent kids were able to just leave or defect.

      Its also very easy to have a specific angled perspective in regard to feminism. Not only is the US propaganda far reaching, but you can almost definitely say women are strongest voting block in the US while also flipping the coin and seeing women’s rights being ripped up. It depends on who you ask and their background. This and its easy to make a living as a grifter like Yeonmi Park.

      Some people are sold about their “newfound freedom” or positions, others know how to make tenure. Who knows…

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        This is all very true. They were not born at the time.

        I was just thinking on how if you asked me ten years ago what does gender equality or womens rights look like in my country I would have given you two wildly different answer then and now.

        Same goes for the history of my country. The only difference is today I have engaged with histories not written by the mainstream. But in those answers you would get two totally different sounding countries.

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      A lot of Iranians were profiting personally from the Shah’s corruption, and they and their descendants are extremely upset and will do anything to demonize Iran today. This is much more common in the diaspora than in those who stayed in Iran, for obvious reasons.

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      People have different personal experiences and that colors their perception. I know a Brazilian who was around for the military dictatorship and says it wasn’t so bad. You can imagine that his family was not among the poor farmers that had been receiving literacy education for the first time in their lineage before the junta canned it, let alone among the protestors who were tortured to death.