I’m trying to make a single comprehensive IPA chart for all the phones, since trying to find everything in the official charts means looking across several charts that aren’t all easy to find (really, i have no idea how to get to the ExtIPA chart from the IPA’s website). As of now, my chart has parity with the chart here, and it’ll continue to grow.

Wikipedia’s charts are still better if you need audio samples with the chart, i haven’t done that yet.

My chart can be found here.

  • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyzM
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    2 months ago

    This is going to get messy really, really fast… but the fun type of messy.

    Note nasalisation can be added to pretty much any other manner of articulation; not just plosive, fricative and click. For example, Kaingang shows nasalised approximants, and even the tap [ɾ̃].

    Not just nasalisation works like this, mind you — if two articulators can be moved independently, odds are you’ll find some language out there moving both at the same time. The actual consonantal space is multidimensional, so it’s kind of tricky to represent it into a 2D table. (Cue to the diacritic spam people often do when transcribing stuff.)

    For the vowels, a low-hanging fruit is to spam the raising/lowering diacritics; such as [i̞ u̞] for the vowels between [i u] and [e o]. Note however those are relative articulation diacritics, so usage can be rather messy/non-specific, like using [i̞] as a synonymous for [e] in a language lacking /e/.

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      2 months ago

      The code part is already messy, compared to any other piece of HTML i’ve written. Yeah, it’ll be messy. It’s far from done, but it’s finally done enough to share more publicly than i have before.

      If the diacritic spam gets to be too much for stuff in the chart, i’ll just add new Unicode characters as letters. I’m already planning to do that for some of the PoAs missing from official charts.

      I hadn’t thought before about the limits of what can be nasalized but it’s not too hard to see that many sounds can be. I’m not the International Phonetic Association so i can do whatever i need or want to with my notation if the IPA isn’t good for something. If i come up with a better way to indicate stuff like this, especially using just Unicode, i’ll at least mention it as an alternative notation.

      I already know i’ll have to add my own modifiers for things like articulating in the side of the mouth (move your tongue left or right and make some phones) or with the tongue rolled (a voiced rolled linguo-exo-labial fricative sounds a lot like blowing over the top of a bottle). And more beside as it comes up or people tell me about it.

      The vowel chart probably will rely a lot on diacritics because i don’t want to map out every part of it with different, individual letters. Especially for how divisible it is, there’s always something between [i̞] and [i̞̞] and [i̞̞̞].

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    2 months ago

    One thing i’d like feedback about sooner than later: You can hover over a cell in the chart to get that sound’s name (currently just the plosives). (How) should that be capitalized?