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“They’re terrified of being labeled anti–law enforcement,” an unnamed source told the liberal magazine. “They want this to go away…"
Spoken like a true pussy, I mean democrat.
But this not what ice is. They aren’t law enforcement. That’s the problem, too.
They are immigration and customs enforcement officers.
And… we should be whittling their budget
Why are they getting more money, they got 200 billion in the bill last summer.
Technically they are, or at least should be. Customs and border control laws are still laws.
However, what they’re doing now is lawlessness.
Doesn’t matter they will get labeled something else. ICE is terrorizing MN law enforcement and the right doesn’t care. Insurrectionists terrorizing law enforcement on Jan 6, the right didn’t care. ICE is not a classic law enforcement agency anyway. These people are idiots and likely just making shit up.
Not even that. Republicans will call them anti-law anyway. They have been for years.
This abstaineousness earns them nothing. The only reason to assume they took this position is that it’s what their donors want.
I’d much rather be known as anti-law enforcement than pro-nazi.
I’d be proud to be labeled “anti-law enforcement”.
Surely Steven Miller will magically change his mind and the human rights violations will stop. Uh huh.
Hey now, I’m a big fan of pussies. Democrats, not so much.
We want it to go away too, but funding the actual law breakers isn’t how you do it
They want it to go away, they just don’t want to have to do anything to make it happen. They’d like the no risk, all reward option.
Pussy
These democratsThey’re the same picture.
Bunch of cowards. You can be pro-enforcement and also be pro-due process and human rights.
Exactly. Democratic policies work (most of the sometimes)… it’s just democrats have no fucking backbone, no balls to demand things to get their policies enacted like republicans do. Republican policies fail miserably and royally fuck everything up. Grow a fucking pair, dems… be the change you want to see in the world.
The three should be one in the same IMO.
Primary them all
Then vote for them anyway when they win.
Negative Nancy?
Debbie Downer?
FUCK OFF.
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!
I WANT THESE NAZI FUCKS ARRESTED
I WANT THEM PROSECUTED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION
I WANT THEM IMPRISONED AND EXECUTED FOR TREASON
I WANT JUSTICE
Do one thing different here to be smarter. Just one.
There won’t be a midterm.
If that happens there’s going to be a war.
Martial law will be declared in October, so the government will be very prepared for the small number of people who get angry.
It’s gonna be an incredibly large number of incredibly angry people.
People are being murdered in broad daylight as a routine matter now, and all minnesota can do is have people turn out in the cold.
And you’re doing what?
Go to the bookies and bet everything you own on that.
Let us know how it goes.
I tagged you that you bet it still happens. I’ll hit you up in November and one of us can gloat. ;)
Do one thing different here to be smarter. Just one.
Sorry. I don’t get it.
Be smarter.
Make better jokes, drunky.
Make me make better jokes, crunky.
Prole
You guys ever notice how it’s always the democrats that break rank but never the republicans?
It’s also always just enough democrats to make sure republicans always get what they want.
Why people keep voting for them is beyond me. They must be stupid or something.
The Blue Dogs (the group that voted for ice funding) is the same group of dems that thwarted Bill Clinton.
It’s all kayfabe, it’s the squared circle. Whenever actual change is on the menu, like the public option with Obama care, exactly enough dems will turn to make it not happen, reliably.
How many is the super majority? Add 2 and that’s how many dems will show up to stop progress.
It’s because both parties are owned by the same Israeli lobby and the Zionist tech bro oligarchs. It’s not even a conspiracy it’s easily verifiable. Epstein and Gizzline worked for Israel to collect blackmail for Israel. We pay for Israeli’s to have universal healthcare, free college and a $400 monthly payment per child until they turn 18 but those things are evil and “communist” here. We the American taxpayers pay hundreds of billions for this stuff while Americans die and go into debt for sickness. Israel is a hostile foreign power do friends blackmail their allies? https://www.trackaipac.com/congress https://wonderisrael.com/monthly-stipend-for-a-jewish-kid/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Israel
You guys ever notice how it’s always the democrats that break rank but never the republicans?
Massie’s been in full revolt for months now. And we’ve had perennial haters in the GOP going back to John McCain and Ron Paul. And the Tea Party Caucus was a big reason why the GOP couldn’t pick a new House Speaker for nearly a month. These opponents tend to be Libertarian flavored, and tend to undermine Neocon efforts to spend money at the risk of raising taxes
The loathsome Blue Dog Caucus are an organized conservative opposition within the liberal party. It consistently sabotages party priorities while funneling enormous sums of corporate money into leadership races.
Both exist to benefit corporate interests.
If they really were in opposition to the actual goals of the party, they would not retain influential positions within it.
but they never face any consequences from party leadership.
it’s moreso the case that when leadership decides they don’t actually want to stop something (for reasons) the blue dogs are called upon to performatively break ranks and help the Republicans.
They must be stupid or something.
They are.
Who should we vote for otherwise? Every other option leads to Republicans staying in power, and they are the ones actually doing it.
Don’t vote? That’s fewer votes the Republicans need to win, so they stay in power.
Vote third party? That splits the opposition vote, and Republicans stay in power.
And no, neither of those choices “teach the Democrats a lesson.” It just drives them to go to the people who do vote, who are more right wing, so it drives everything further right.
You want a more left wing party? Show them that the left votes and our votes have value.
Democrats don’t care about your vote, that should have been obvious during Harris’s campaign while they focused on the right wing vote.
That splits the opposition vote
Democrats are not the opposition, they are the enablers of fascism, they are complicit in everything happening right now.
That doesn’t answer my question. Who should we vote for that doesn’t result in the fascists staying in office?
I’m not gonna tell someone who to vote for, but a vote for Democrats = Fascism. A vote for Republicans = Fascism.
That is reductionist to the point of obsursity.
Republicans are demonstrably by more fascist.
Not voting against Republicans keeps more fascism in place.
Therefore, not voting only increases fascism. Voting for someone that can’t win against the Republicans increases fascism.
And before you say voting for Democrats also increases fascism, they are already less fascist than what is currently in place. Having anyone else, even a Democrat, in office will be less fascism.
Vote to decrease fascism. Move in that direction. Not voting only pushes us toward more fascism.
There is not choice available right now to remove fascism entirely. We must show politicians that they stand to gain by moving away from it. Not voting doesn’t do that.
Sounds like a bunch of incrementalism. That incrementalism that liberals preach helped shift the entire country to where it is right now. Can’t vote your way out of fascism when the people you are voting for have a vested interest in the status quo
That doesn’t disprove what I’m saying. That’s just your feeling with no evidence to back it up.
I have history to backup my claims. Yes, we’ve shifted right due to incrementalism because people on the right are more likely to vote, so it demonstrably does work. There’s no reason we can’t shift back if people who want change actually vote for it, rather than withholding their votes for a “perfect” solution.
Stop voting for them in the primaries so we don’t have this issue.
I don’t vote for capitalists
The primaries are the key. Support the people who will oppose these issues.
But as we saw with Bernie, the support has to be undeniable and actionable, or they’ll just put in who they want anyway. This means that there is a non-zero chance that we’ll end up with the usual kind of choices. Should we then support the candidate that isn’t at least actively disparaging the law, or should we not vote and increase the chance of the party that is actively destroying things winning?
they don’t control the entire D party, there are good people there.
support the good ones, primary the bad ones.
In the last 10 years I’ve seen a noticeable shift in the number of normies (non political junkies) who have realized which Democrat are real and which are paid stooges.
If we want to push things back to the left, we absolutely have to show support for more left candidates in the primaries.
But if we don’t show them that we’re willing to vote, we’re just going to get candidates that chase the votes of the people who DO vote.
So we can have Obama or Biden rather than Adolf Hitler with dementia?
What about what happened with Hillary?
Bernie would have won, but instead we get 12 years of trump.
So we can have double-tap Obama and Genocide Joe? JFC dude, we deserve better
If you can’t see the difference between Oboma and Trump I can’t help you
I can help you.
Obama funded ICE and built the concentration camps, while bombing Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia.
Then Trump exploits and uses ICE, while Dems continue to fund it. Trump is mask off unhinged Capitalism, Obama was “polite” mask on Capitalism. Neither serve you. Neither improved material conditions for the working class.
Edit: also Kamala ran on empowering ICE, and bragged about a stronger border than Trump even wanted. Wtf are even talking about. Democrats enable Republicans. Always. They are the other side of the same capitalists coin that does not serve you whatsoever.
… was not was he was saying?!
Who needs enemies with friends like these?
Vichy Democrats
Came here for this
It’s the Diet Republicans™️. Fascism without the guilt.
That was a lot of Kamalas campaign. look at our immigration policies, it’s just the republican plans or we want to fund the military even more than the Republicans
A lot of her campaign was brain dead, but the Liz Cheney friendship tour was a pretty clear tip of the hand.
Call them and ask them if today’s shooting would change their mind.
The slaughter of everyday Americans has never been a weighty burden to the American government.
It’d be great to primary every single democratic congressperson. I’m sure there are good ones. But it’s time for wholesale change. Make them fear the electorate.
There are not any good ones.
Mamdani
Cowards, yes, but what are they afraid of?
Oh, right, losing power. Personally. They’re afraid of losing their own power. It’s power that defines their self-image, and without that, they are nothing. They’re “just like everyone else”. Just like the poors. Nothing special. And, they so need to be special little boys and girls.
Cowards, yes, but what are they afraid of?
Oh, right, losing
powermoney.FTFY
Wrong fix, power is the path to money to these people. It’s political power.
Your fix stands for a businessman but not a pollie.
I bet they’re also at least a little afraid of getting harassed by LEOs because they’re not “pro-police” enough.
If anyone had any doubt whatsoever that they don’t work for us…
what a stupid country
They are traitors. Just about every single establishment democrat is enabling the Trump Regime to loot America on their behalf.
Can we please begin to vote for a third party? Mexico did it…. Why not us?
It won’t work so long as you have first-past-the-post voting.
In Denmark we have 11 parties that have qualified to join the elections last time.
It’s no big deal
Although it’s not the one with the most votes that wins. The winner needs to have a minimum of seats and if not, they need to make a joint administration with other parties to sum up to the minimum number of seats
Your government is fundamentally different than ours. Given 2 large entrenched parties which are nearly equal in a system which is winner take all at every stage of the game any third party which gets any substantial portion of the vote splits the vote with whatever party it is most like ensuring its opposition wins.
EG imagine you wanted to grow say the green party in given district which is 51% Dem 49% Republican. If it were to wildly successful it would need to grow from 1% to a plurality organically probably over several or even many election seasons. It is unlikely to get many Republican votes because Republicans have solidarity and its positions are substantially different so by the time the green party has grown to 3% of the vote its throwing every election to the Republicans. This continues to be true at 30% because 90% of its votes come from the left. At some point you would reach changeover and become the defacto left wing party but by that time you will have found the state has gerrymandered your district to the point where you can’t win and all the money essentially millions of dollars in legal bribes is still flowing to the now minority party.
This is literally impossible to fix at the ballot box by people voting for third parties. This is why for example the green party has existed for 40 years and in all that time has never elected anyone to federal office and has in only a handful of cases held a state office wherein they run and stay green.
The US system is designed to make this impractical and it has only become more so with intensely parties making getting votes from both sides increasingly ridiculous. Anyone you would want to elect is going to have to take a stand against essentially the American nazi party in power now.
We didn’t change to this right after being Vikings… systems can and should change with time.
We’ve already seen major changes in the way politics work in the USA, just within the last 50 years.
Party elites lost control when they were replaced by primaries
Campaign finance rules were rewritten by the courts changing who funds them
Gerrymandering was effectively legalized as a “political question”
None of this was inevitable. It happened because laws, court rulings, party rules, and public pressure changed.
So when people say “the system is broken and can’t be fixed,” history says otherwise
None of what you listed was because of “public pressure” all of it was changed by a tiny minority with most of the money. Almost all substantial changes of any variety are going to require a constitutional amendment which in the US requires 2/3 of states to agree to propose it and 3/4 of them. Red states and the agenda they want enacted would be impaired by almost any positive change as would be the money spigot funding literally everyone in power now. We could have 37 states representing 90% of the population on board and be held back by weirdos in Idaho who want an American Nazi party.
We are basically in the same position we were prior to the American revolutionary war which notably could not be fixed without conflict either just like the nazis trying to pwn the world couldn’t be fixed without conflict. We are already building and filling concentration camps and have stopped paying for medical care at what will become death camps as of last October.
Easier to have DSA candidates replace the corpodems.
We need a working class party
It’s called the DSA. Help them take over the husk of the Democratic party.
We have 2 entrenched parties. The Republicans have about half the vote. If we fracture the vote on the left even a little bit then we lose. EG for example suppose we WOULD win with 51% of the vote suppose we convince 90% of the would be democrats to vote green.
The vote is now 45.9 Green 5.1 Dem 49% Republican aaaaand we now lose for the next 100 years. This is actually the optimistic case. Even if you get a green candidate who satisfies literally everyone on the left some will KNOW this can’t fuckin work and yell at the defectors and some will dislike anything left of the dems and refuse to move so you probably get closer to 26% one and 25% the other. If carried out broadly enough you would hand an unstoppable super majority to the other side which they will use to fix it so your vote is suppressed forever.
You can’t just vote third party you have to first reform the system. The most basic plausible move is instant runoff or something similar at the state level.
