The email in question was sent to William Riley ā who appeared to have been āhired by Epstein to investigate his victims,ā the British outlet The Times reported ā on April 18, 2011, and references what appears to be a planned call with Trump.
āBefore I call Trump. with regard Virginia are there any other alternatives,ā Epstein wrote just after midnight.
Epsteinās reference to someone named āVirginiaā is speculated to be a reference to Virginia Giuffre, among the most prominent victims of Epstein.
Last summer, Trump made the startling admission that Epstein āstoleā Giuffre from his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida. It was Epsteinās repeated poaching of workers from Mar-a-Lago, Trump has previously claimed, that led to him cutting off all ties with the disgraced financier sometime around 2004. Trump also said he hadnāt spoken to Epstein since that falling out.
However, were Epstein and Trump to have had a phone call in 2011 as Epsteinās email to Riley indicates, Trumpās claim to have not spoken to Epstein since around 2004 would be proven to be blatantly false.
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 10/EFTA01867496.pdf
@OP welcome and thanks for your contributions. Could you please add a few key paragraphs of the article your posting quoted in your OP added to your posts please? Cheers
Also in this case when itās referring to a file in the corpus, please paste a direct link to it too.
On it.
I went to jmail.world to see the emails between Epstein and William Riley and maybe see some context, and I did. I also corrected their spelling along the way, but linked the original documents for each.
The date on this particular email is April 18, 2011, but first I wanted to see who William Riley was. At a certain point he is giving Epstein his vehicle registration and listing his work email as āwhr[@]rileykiraly[.]comā which points to a fairly small St. Petersburg, FL private investigation firm.
That he was doing PI for Epstein is clear in the back and forth, but the actual reason appears in the email Epstein sent Riley on April 2, 2011 where after failing to get whatever documentation they were looking for by other means, Epstein tells Riley, āI need to prove that she did not work at Mar-a-Lago until she was seventeen,ā and Riley replies with the suggestion, āI say we try Mar-a-Lago straight up and see what they say.ā
Then on April 3 there is another exchange where theyāre debating about how āpersonnelā at Mar-a-Lago should be approached, and after Epstein names a guy he used to know there but āDonald fired himā they mutually agree that a personal visit is best.
On April 7, Epstein wants an update, asking Riley if heās had any luck with āRobertsā (Virginia Giuffreās maiden name and the one by which Epstein knew her) and referencing Mar-a-Lago; Riley replies that he thinks they have someone checking the files there.
On April 13, thereās another email from Riley to Epstein saying āthey donāt keep records going back that farā but heās ātrying another avenue.ā
And then thereās the email from April 18, the one featured in the Rawstory article OP posted. The context is clear.
Epstein and Riley, working together to prove Virginia Giuffre was at least seventeen when she was recruited from Mar-a-Lago, donāt want to ask Donald Trump for records pertaining to Virginia Giuffre unless there is no possible alternative to calling him, because they have now exhausted all the other methods of proving this that theyāve tried. This is them checking with each other to see if either of them have any further bright ideas before picking up the phone and calling Trump, which they apparently do not because the emails end here.
And thatās it. The next emails between them are from the same summer, where William Riley is trying to get paid for all this.
Meanwhile, 2011 is when the Prince Andrew thing started to blow up on him, and he lost his gig as UK trade envoy in part because of his relationship with Epstein. Virginia Giuffre had already sued Epstein, but in 2010, the year prior, also decided to go public with her allegations about Andrew, and of course the photo came out around then as well.
Between the dates of the media articles and the picture with Andrew coming out, these emails, and the status of her lawsuits, it seems pretty clear that all of this effort is for Andrew: by getting proof Giuffre was seventeen when he recruited her from Mar-a-Lago, Epstein hoped to put Andrew in the clear in terms of her age.
EDITED to correct defunct EFTA link for April 7 email
Some excellent sleuthing right there. Thanks for doing that digging.
Also, that April 7 exchange isnāt on the DOJ website anymore:
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 10/EFTA01990936.pdf
Huh, I thought Iād checked them all. I was working from Jmail and not the DoJ site.
Fortunately, Jmail is its own repository and links to the DoJ data sets for reference/accountability. Try this link, itās the same email:
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 9/EFTA00908376.pdf
Iāll correct mine as well. Thank you for pointing it out.
Great, thanks for pointing to the jmail one instead š
I would have done that throughout but thereās a specific request on so many posts in this community to add links to the actual corpus that I stayed with EFTA links, instead giving the overall link to the William Riley emails at the very top for those who want Jmail since theyāre all visually grouped once you know the date range.
In this case linking Jmail would have saved me a step because thatās what I was working from. For emails and seeing email chains in roughly chronological order, nothing beats Jmail.
But there would still have been the issue of the defunct EFTA link for anyone who wanted to see the original, so I guess itās pretty much the same either way. At least with Jmail I could easily see that there were three duplicates for that email and pick another EFTA link that pointed to the same content, which is something that disappears easily on the DoJ site: the more hits you get on DoJ, the more readily duplicates and significant patterns disappear in the noise.
Andrew makes my skin crawl.
No doubt Trump was involved, but Iām iffy on this one. He asks if thereās any alternative to calling Trump, so itās very likely he didnāt make that call. Thereās a lot of smoking guns in there somewhere, but this aināt one of them.
Thatās not how I read it. He says heās going to call Trump, but asks whether thereās alternatives to whatever heās going to plan with Trump or tell him.
Thatās the fun part of the Epstein emails, he writes like a brain damaged person.
It is really notable how ridiculously incoherent or careless he is about typing sometimes. Major drug or alcohol habit maybe?
I mean he didnāt have problems speakingā¦
Iāve seen one interview with him. No idea what he was like the rest of the time, or at the times he wrote the incoherent sloppy emails?
Thatās how I read it too.
To me, it seems like heās asking: With regard to Virginia, are there any alternatives besides her?










