I’ve posted quite a bit on here since I created my account, posts I consider non-controversial, since I’m not interested in arguing or getting into heated topics like politics. Even so, I still get the occasional snarky comment. Out of curiosity, I sometimes check the person’s post history when I see something like that, and without fail, their profile is full of snarky, negative, or hateful posts overall. It always makes me wonder: do people like this genuinely get enjoyment from surrounding themselves with negativity? What’s the thought process behind it?
What do dogs get out of barking through a fence?
For me (and I know it’s a losing battle) I like to remind people that being stupid is a negative trait. Even if it’s one voice among thousands, I feel that people deserve to know that when they make a statement that passes from their fingers to the keyboard, without ever stopping at the brain, that they should expect someone to call them out on it.
I would never be hateful toward someone for their appearance, or a disability, or their race, or sexuality/gender. But for people that choose to live in ignorance and spout the most idiotic things imaginable; yea, I’m gonna point how fucking stupid they are, and I’m not going to be nice about it.
do people like this genuinely get enjoyment from surrounding themselves with negativity?
it’s an emotional outlet. they can’t regulate their emotions without lashing out. I just block people that don’t know how to get along well with others.
WHY WON’T YOU TALK TO ME?!! I NEED ATTENTION!!!
Or they’re regulating their emotions all the time and use a pseudonymous message board to vent.
It’s not regulation if they are hateful. It’s abuse.
Fucking truth.
Dumping your emotional outbursts onto people over the internet is no better than doing so in person.
Yet I know for a fact that lot of people online, especially in games, just stop controlling themselves. Simply because they can’t see the person whose day, week, or life they are ruining.
and use a pseudonymous message board to vent
You mean use strangers as verbal punching bags?
They’re not screaming into a pillow.
They’re sending their problems out into the world, where they may or may not harm or even kill others.
You guys, make sure to upvote Abbadon above, but don’t respond to him. It will drive him absolutely CRAZY.
Who?
Anger causes higher level of engagement. If you see a post or comment you agree on, there’s no reason for you to comment. More engagement - more clicks - more ad revenue.
Some people’s have natural born desire to seek for conflicts wherever they go - on the internet or outside of it. These people feel right about anything, and constatly seek to prove everyone is inferior around them.
There’s a human need to make some kind of impact on others. Some people do it by building up - posting positivity, or creating art, or whatever. Others do it by tearing down - posting insults, or vandalism, and so on.
The negative path is much, much easier.
Affirmation.
They’re generally desperately insecure and unable to find anything of any value in themselves, so since they can’t build themselves up, they try to tear other people down.
And it doesn’t work very well, so if they come to depend on it, they have to do it virtually nonstop.
Well said! I think it’s like jealousy. You destroy those who are better than you to be closer to the top.
They get their Russian payments.
Why would a country from the other side of the globe care about quite a niche social network that isn’t present in their cultural bubble?
Divide and conquer. There is irrefutable evidence that they’ve been interfering in elections etc for more than 12 years. I learned this at a national security conference in Germany.
Because that’s exactly the kind of thing Russians do. They’re culturally obligated to ruin things for everyone else.
That’s pretty biased. I wonder what your opinion is based on
They are definitely trolls, paid or not. But I suspect you are correct. Causing Americans not to have a place to enjoy or feel comfortable in, has worked quite well to cause division. I have sources, but I don’t feel like digging them out right now. Hey trolls, if you dare me to, you’ll be sorry *because the material opens people’s eyes.
I wouldn’t read that far into it. American defaultism is such an omnipresent phenomenon across most of the popular internet, it feels like most places are catered to Americans in some capacity.
What I can sympathize with are the communities that restrict US politics, or politics in general. Other than the echo chamber/circlejerk nature of it, it often just becomes an anxiety-inducing spiral into nothingness that sometimes people, American or otherwise, just want a break from. Because it’s already everywhere else.
There are 100% paid trolls out to cause as much disruption as possible, this has been repeatedly and reliably documented. This is a fact, not conspiracy.
Is every single asshole you meet a paid troll? No, that’s highly unlikely, but it is absolutely true that there are campaigns run by governments and corporations to astroturf all sorts of shit from elections to what products you buy.
The Alt-Right Playbook: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ
- Astroturfing Information Megathread- revision 8 (old-reddit link)
- Link within previous thread and archived- “Once we isolate key people, we look for people we know are in their upstream – people that they read posts from, but who themselves are less influential. We then either start flame wars with bots to derail the conversations that are influencing influential people, or else send off specific tasks for sockpuppets (changing this wording of an idea here; cause an ideological split there; etc).”
- Russia and the Menace of Unreality-How Vladimir Putin is revolutionizing information warfare
- Russia is using the power of ‘Black PR’ to destroy political reputations and spread disinformation in the West
- The availability heuristic, also known as availability bias
- What Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orbán Understand About Your Brain-Why do some people who support Trump also wind up believing conspiracy theories? There’s a scientific explanation for that.
- Political Misinformation Game: Harmony Square-it’s an actual game
- Max Fisher on How Silicon Valley Has Rewired Our Brains | Offline Podcast
- Amygdala hijack occurs when strong emotions “take over” the thinking part of your brain.
- Asch conformity experiments
- Simple Sabotage Field Manual by United States. Office of Strategic Services
- It’s My Right to Hold This Turd
- 5 studies about fact-checking you may have missed last month
- This Video Will Make You Angry
I’m not saying astroturfing doesn’t exist, just questioning the idea that Americans are being left without a place to enjoy or feel comfortable in. If anything, I see astroturfing doing more of the opposite, shoving the American propaganda machine into every crevice it can. Which “coincidentally” happens to align well with Russian interests, too.
The whole point of making american politics omnipresent is to make it uncomfortable. The american right lives or dies by its ability to make its audience fearful and angry, to channel those uncomfortable feelings into either infighting or apathy, and to reinforce those feelings constantly. It’s not designed to make americans feel comfortable even if it reinforces already held beliefs. It’s supposed to keep people off-balance.
I would argue though that it depends on the space you’re in. Conservative bubbles are astroturfed as fuck to inspire fear, sure, but it’s supposed to assure people that they are in the “in group” and there is a justified “other” to vilify and take the blame everything bad in the world. They have all the answers, and all you need to do is share on your socials and vote for the right person.
But I guess I’d consider political doomscrolling (which it seems like this is more veering towards) to be a separate phenomenon, which is not entirely immune to astroturfing either, but does not have it as a prerequisite. That discomfort is usually just the product of anxiety among people who realize they are not in the in group and are sharing their concerns.
My experience with the conservative bubble is not one of assurance. When I was a kid the news was constantly about how Christianity is under attack from The Liberals and we’re on the brink of annihilation, all the time. One of the other signatures of repressive societies is that, even if you are visibly “in” via whiteness, maleness, overt Christian displays, etc. there are always enemies among us, socialists or gays or whatever the invisible enemy du jour is. And even if you aren’t gay or socialist, there is always a risk of being percieved as such and expelled from the community. That threat of expulsion is ever-present and requires constant displays of conformity to quell suspicion. You quit going to church, you laugh too much with another man, you have a Democratic mailer lying around your house, any of these are grounds for being exiled by your community. It’s constant stress, by design.
just questioning the idea that Americans are being left without a place to enjoy or feel comfortable in.
You’re just questioning the idea, eh? The “American propaganda machine” is the right wing who coincidentally aligns with Russia and the Russian mob for decades.
Yes, the right wing who goes out of their way to make the internet feel as “America First” as possible, that’s what I said. Again I ask, how does that not make Americans feel comfortable in online spaces? Unless you’re referring to one of the “wrong” kinds of Americans that the right-wing doesn’t approve of, I suppose.
How do we make sure the Americans don’t have a place to enjoy or feel comfortable in?
So, you’re admitting you’re a troll? Interesting.
Nope. Just don’t like Americans.
What country are you from?
Canada, why?
Okay, that makes sense. lol. If you’re Canada, Mexico, Greenland, or Ukraine, you get a pass.
One of the great things about lemmy is that when I block someone toxic it has a significant impact on the quality of my feed.
There probably is a root cause or at least a cluster of root causes, but I couldn’t tell you what.
I’ve personally known 2 people who fit the profile you’re asking about. They get online and they’re just so hateful, spiteful, mean, and negative. There’s not a lot of commonality between them, but I see some things that might count. Hard for me to know if these are applicable to most people behaving badly online, though.
First and foremost, neither of them behave this way to that extent in person. The worst of their behavior is limited to online interactions. Both of them are terribly flawed people and nowhere near what I would call a great person, though, even in person they are both a lot to handle at times.
These guys have an opinion on literally everything, their opinion is right, and anybody who questions that or has an opposing opinion is to be mocked and belittled. They are egotistical narcissists for sure.
While they seem to have a decent social circle, there are some strange aspects to it. For example, despite all their friends, their family (including close members like parents, children, siblings) are mostly/entirely estranged. And, their friendships often seem a bit shallow and transactional.
These guys both have rigid social expectations of others, and expect other people to follow those standards without having to be asked or told. Like, if a child forgot to say thank you after they were given a gift, they won’t ever let that go. 10 years from now, they’ll talk about the time that Kimmy didn’t say thank you when she was 9. Or if a woman declines their chivalry, then she’s a bitch from now until eternity because that’s “rude”.
I like to encourage a silly sort of reaction, rather than a hostile one.
I was playing Rocket League the other day, and said that the enemy team’s mother buys off-brand baked beans. I got called a doughnut.
If someone is being angry, try calling them various fruit. Then again some people are just straight up chikoos.
There are a lot of reasons for this. Some people never learned how to manage their emotions or how to disagree in a mature manner. A lot of people feel frustrated, angry and powerless in their everyday lives, so being nasty to others online provides a weird sort of catharsis for them. Others simply never acquired the necessary social skills to successfully function in society to any significant degree. Still others are narcissists who derive feelings of power from making others feel small. The list goes on and on.
It also works on the flip side. Lots of immature people think anything they find disagreeable is awful and anyone who challenges them is hateful.
Like telling a child that candy is bad for them and they can’t have it for dinner. Usually the child doesn’t go ‘gee thanks mom, you are right.’ They throw a tantrum and ask why their parents are so mean and awful to them.
I legit know a few people who seek conflict in any and every situation. Always baffled me. I think maybe they’re in constant fear or smth.
Yeah. I don’t get it either. Some people are just miserable and want emotional company.
People often focus their anger at anything but its object to avoid feeling impotent… you know, like when people are having a bad day and thsy snap at something random.
Edit: it’s a power thing… you know, “if i can torture/correct/make fun of internet randos then i am not completely powerless, which is what i fear because i feel i have no power over that thing that actually hurts me. I hurt people to feel control over a hostile life.”
yeah. this is common with road rage incidents. person takes out their latent rage about something else on someone who isn’t driving fast enough or something
i feel i have no power over that thing that actually hurts me.
Which is true for the political machine
I mean I have always been sarcastic and I can be snarky without really meaning anything mean about it. although not all my comments are snarky.
Is this comment snarky?
I don’t know anymore.
Sure pal
Recreational word sayer is the preferred term (by me lol)
I think it’s the same as with being toxic irl. I would guess it’s a sort of revenge against society that has hated these people for doing something before. Or maybe people feel injustice when others do what they can’t. Sometimes, your peaceful opinion might be an attack for somebody if it represents something they fight. It also may make these people feel less helpless and more self-worthy, i.e. compensate for the hate they’ve received themselves. Trauma, to put it simply












