I was discussing politics this weekend with a friend/coworker and we got to discussing McCarthy. My friend asserted that years after the fact it was proven that there were actually quite a few Soviet spies or informants in the US, and that McCarthy was at least sort of right on that front.

I honestly could believe this, but I’m a bit more skeptical than my friend. I’ve looked into it a bit, and learned of the Venona Papers which implicated the Rosenbergs. Is there any other “hard” evidence of the scale of Soviet espionage in the US during the red scare? Or anything to point me in a fruitful direction?

  • footfaults [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Alger Hiss seems to be what started the whole thing. I never really did any real research because the only people today who are arguing about this whole thing are people who are trying to revise history to paint McCarthy as being right…

    More modern times, there were high level FBI people who were spying for Russia. Robert Phillips Hansen. I remember when that got revealed and everyone shit themselves. Then 9/11 happened 6 months later lol.

  • blobjim [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    12·
    1 year ago

    That’s completely besides the point. The people HUAC was calling in for questioning weren’t “soviet spies”, they were just people in society that the US wanted to disempower. Paul Robeson obviously wasn’t a “soviet spy”, what would he even be spying on? He wasn’t in the government. Like of course people are spies, but HUAC or whatever wasn’t doing intelligence gathering to find spies. They were just going after anyone who was a communist or anything like that. And of course right-wingers want to claim every person who isn’t a racist POS is a “foreign agent”.

    • WayeeCool [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      1 year ago

      Exactly. It’s actually easy to find spies in any country, even the US. They are all embassy employees, no joke. This is how it has always been.

      With the USSR you just had to look at the Soviet embassy in Washington DC and consulates in the rest of the US. The actual counter espionage, done by the FBI and not US Congress persons, involved following embassy employees around to monitor who they interacted with. The FBI and KGB agents ended up having what one would describe as a professional relationship knowing each other by name. The situation was the same in the USSR but with roles reversed.

      For the US spying, the CIA station chief for an area is also a senior embassy employee with a sizeable percentage of US embassy staff also being CIA agents, everyone who is a regular state dept embassy employee knows which of their coworkers are CIA and everyone just doesn’t talk about it. This is still the case today, I suggest looking up details the Chinese government has released when they have to arrest then debrief some of their own citizens who got suckered in by US embassy employees who made friends with them in their personal life but were CIA agents that began blackmailing them to do things.

      Remember the Hillary Clinton comedy involving the US consulate in Benghazi that became a shit show because EVE-ONLINE mmorpg players kept writing the media and congress people over not understanding their dead gamer buddy wasn’t some innocent US State Dept employee but was a CIA agent running guns out of a US consulate in Libya?