So she basically said antisemitism is okay because Islamophobia exists. Like, “well, if we can’t stop racism, let’s at least be racist against everyone.” Maybe the worst take in the past 2 months of incredibly bad takes.
This is coming from a white, cisgender person who is neither Jewish nor Muslim, and is worth $60 million ($10 million she made since the start of the pandemic)
Is that what she is saying or is she saying that Muslims in the US normally get a lot of hate and since many people are upset by Israel’s actions Jewish people are now getting a taste of that?
Maybe I’m missing some additional context but it doesn’t read to me like she’s condoning the hate towards any specific group, but simply pointing out that it exists.
Maybe she’s full of crap or maybe she’s highly educated on the topic, I don’t know. I do know that it appears to me that people are putting words into her mouth. Again, maybe I’m missing something in the story?
However, getting a taste of their own medicine, as a phrase, normally means it is justified and/or deserved. So, it could be interpreted as being gleeful in Jewish people being targets. I don’t think it is. I think she’s just pointing out that the use of terrorist actions by Israel affects ordinary Jews with nothing to do with the conflict, just like ordinary muslims have been affected for the last 20+ years.
I think the fact that multiple people are getting cancelled over their support for Palestine is worrying. Especially as it doesn’t seem related to a public backlash, but comes from those with power. Maybe heavy handed PR protection. Maybe using influence they have to support Israel.
As I type it, I realize that this is how conspiracy theories about Jewish secret influence starts. That’s not what I mean. I hope I keep my agent.
Is that what the phrase normally means? Or is that just the most commonly held opinion by those offended by it?
The basis of the phrase only seems to mean that something is happening to someone who would normally be doing it to others. It offers no justification at all. Except perhaps poetically.
Or she’s saying both are bad, and sticking your head in the sand for one because you don’t like them but getting outraged by the other is hypocritical.
When you have to ignore minorities telling you how they’re affected by something them you are probably just a-OK and you should keep doing what you’re doing and not think about it too hard.
The way I remember that Affect is active. You affect things. Effect is passive, and is the result of something. Affect is a verb (and I think sometimes can be a descriptor). Effect is always a noun. So you can have the resulting effect of an experiment, but if you mess with some variables, you have affected the effect.
Though, in this case, you’re turning the noun into a verb, so you could make the case for either use I think. If you hyphenate it though you can leave it as is without thought. "Streisand-effecting.
Years ago I had a CEO of the company I worked at make a similar comment; “affect/effect. No one really knows which one to use.” So my contrarian, anti-authority ass just looked it up right then and decided to always know.
According to what I’ve read just now, she said that amid the vile attacks against Jews in America “people that are afraid of being Jewish at this time are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country.”
This:
a. Minimizes the violence against Jews and Jewish Gathering places right now
b. Makes Jewish suffering secondary to the “real” suffering of Muslims
c. Denies the tragic history of antisemitism in America
d. Pits Jews and Muslims as two parties somehow against each other, when in reality, both groups suffer whenever racism in America goes unchecked
e. Portrays antisemitism as a means to an end - that cold, unfeeling Jews could not possibly understand the suffering of Muslims
Your suggestion that anyone offended by this is paid by some secretive corrupt cabal of globalist to do so…
For every one Muslim who has a wonderful and positive experience in the USA, I can give you ten who are treated like shit, dehumanized and ridiculed on a daily basis. You cannot paper over Islamophobia with one nice anecdote just like you cannot do the opposite with anti semitism.
Yet Sarandon’s comment does exactly that with antisemitism. She portrays it as something that may (should?) be measured in relation to Islamophobia, and she characterizes it as “getting a taste.” Does that mean antisemitism is less than? It accounts for 60% of US religion-based hate crimes, despite Jews being about 2% of the population. It’s been that way for some time.
Just now hearing about this.
So she basically said antisemitism is okay because Islamophobia exists. Like, “well, if we can’t stop racism, let’s at least be racist against everyone.” Maybe the worst take in the past 2 months of incredibly bad takes.
This is coming from a white, cisgender person who is neither Jewish nor Muslim, and is worth $60 million ($10 million she made since the start of the pandemic)
Is that what she is saying or is she saying that Muslims in the US normally get a lot of hate and since many people are upset by Israel’s actions Jewish people are now getting a taste of that?
Maybe I’m missing some additional context but it doesn’t read to me like she’s condoning the hate towards any specific group, but simply pointing out that it exists.
Maybe she’s full of crap or maybe she’s highly educated on the topic, I don’t know. I do know that it appears to me that people are putting words into her mouth. Again, maybe I’m missing something in the story?
My interpretation is your interpretation too.
However, getting a taste of their own medicine, as a phrase, normally means it is justified and/or deserved. So, it could be interpreted as being gleeful in Jewish people being targets. I don’t think it is. I think she’s just pointing out that the use of terrorist actions by Israel affects ordinary Jews with nothing to do with the conflict, just like ordinary muslims have been affected for the last 20+ years.
I think the fact that multiple people are getting cancelled over their support for Palestine is worrying. Especially as it doesn’t seem related to a public backlash, but comes from those with power. Maybe heavy handed PR protection. Maybe using influence they have to support Israel.
As I type it, I realize that this is how conspiracy theories about Jewish secret influence starts. That’s not what I mean. I hope I keep my agent.
Is that what the phrase normally means? Or is that just the most commonly held opinion by those offended by it?
The basis of the phrase only seems to mean that something is happening to someone who would normally be doing it to others. It offers no justification at all. Except perhaps poetically.
There’s also a difference between saying “getting a taste” and “getting a taste of your own…”.
One is just saying that you are experiencing what others have experienced, which is what she said.
The other is putting forward an accusation which she is obviously not doing in that statement.
Yes, but they are quite close phrases, so it’s not a huge leap for someone to make, in earnest. I assume an easier leap for concern trolls.
Sounds more like she is justifying the frightening rise in antisemitism because Islamophobia already existed:
“There are a lot of people afraid of being Jewish at this time, and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country,”
I don’t think that she knows that Jews targeted by antisemitism is nothing new.
Or she’s saying both are bad, and sticking your head in the sand for one because you don’t like them but getting outraged by the other is hypocritical.
Imagine being as dumb as this comment.
Imagine defending a white person speaking over two minorities and telling them how they should feel about one another.
When you have to take Olympic sized leaps to make your argument sound better you have to know you done fucked up.
When you have to ignore minorities telling you how they’re affected by something them you are probably just a-OK and you should keep doing what you’re doing and not think about it too hard.
The only minority I’m ignoring is you if you are one because you’re a fucking idiot.
No. That’s not what she said at all. You’ve misinterpreted her very clear words.
What did she say? The few quotes I’ve found so far don’t seem to line up with what you are suggesting.
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In this case, it looks more like it’s Streisand effecting. (Affecting?)
The way I remember that Affect is active. You affect things. Effect is passive, and is the result of something. Affect is a verb (and I think sometimes can be a descriptor). Effect is always a noun. So you can have the resulting effect of an experiment, but if you mess with some variables, you have affected the effect.
Though, in this case, you’re turning the noun into a verb, so you could make the case for either use I think. If you hyphenate it though you can leave it as is without thought. "Streisand-effecting.
Years ago I had a CEO of the company I worked at make a similar comment; “affect/effect. No one really knows which one to use.” So my contrarian, anti-authority ass just looked it up right then and decided to always know.
According to what I’ve read just now, she said that amid the vile attacks against Jews in America “people that are afraid of being Jewish at this time are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country.”
This: a. Minimizes the violence against Jews and Jewish Gathering places right now b. Makes Jewish suffering secondary to the “real” suffering of Muslims c. Denies the tragic history of antisemitism in America d. Pits Jews and Muslims as two parties somehow against each other, when in reality, both groups suffer whenever racism in America goes unchecked e. Portrays antisemitism as a means to an end - that cold, unfeeling Jews could not possibly understand the suffering of Muslims
Your suggestion that anyone offended by this is paid by some secretive corrupt cabal of globalist to do so…
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Please educate me; who’s sending the checks? Who’s receiving them?
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Do you not know how money works? What do you think well-funded means?
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Apparantly words mean different things for you
I don’t see that in the quotes, what are you referring to?
Here is a response from Muslim American journalist Asra Nomani: (Sorry for the X Link) It includes the quote and Asra’s response to it.
For every one Muslim who has a wonderful and positive experience in the USA, I can give you ten who are treated like shit, dehumanized and ridiculed on a daily basis. You cannot paper over Islamophobia with one nice anecdote just like you cannot do the opposite with anti semitism.
That entire Twitter comments reads like some freedumber wrote it.
Yet Sarandon’s comment does exactly that with antisemitism. She portrays it as something that may (should?) be measured in relation to Islamophobia, and she characterizes it as “getting a taste.” Does that mean antisemitism is less than? It accounts for 60% of US religion-based hate crimes, despite Jews being about 2% of the population. It’s been that way for some time.
I don’t get it, she can’t do that, but you can? Nobody here is saying anti semitism is ok, or doesn’t exist, nor is she from an honest read.
EXACTLY!