“We recognize that, in the next four years, our decision may cause us to have an even more difficult time. But we believe that this will give us a chance to recalibrate, and the Democrats will have to consider whether they want our votes or not.”

That’s gotta be one of the strangest reasonings I’ve heard in a while.

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    If democracy isn’t working for them, why would they vote for it? Remember, they just voted with Republicans to censure Rashida Tlaib over nothing too, and then there’s all the other stuff like student loans, the child tax credit, gaslighting people about how well the economy is going, etc.

    Generally voting for democrats on the federal level just means halting or slowing down the inevitable ratchet towards fashism, not actually improving things, because there always a Lieberman or a Manchin ready to sink anything that would be too lefty.

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      If democracy isn’t working for them, why would they vote for it?

      Because it can get worse. This seems obvious.

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        Of course it can and will. But just like Weimar Germany, the centrist parties (or in this case, the only non-fascist party) are too busy with their heads up their asses (or scare mongering about socialism) instead of solving people’s issues. Why would they support the party that will punish the few representatives they have any time they stand up for Muslim issues?

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            The alternative in this case being “treating people like you need their votes.”

            The party would rather have Trump than the nightmare scenario of acting like their voters are worth anything.

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              Look, I can’t keep people from hurting themselves. I will call them morons leading up to and afterwards though.

              Same as I did for dipshits in red states losing maternity wards now. /shrug

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                  I’m simply reminding people of the reality that either the Dem or Rep will win.

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                    If you need a group of people to vote for you, you need to get their votes.

                    If you have a scapegoat to blame for any loss, you don’t need to do anything to get anyone’s votes. You’d rather have the scapegoat.

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            Both options keep getting worse and continuing to paly a rigged game isn’t worth it. The Republicans might just cheat and win and all.the.Biden capitulation will have been for nothing

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              You show me the policies the Democrats have that comes even close to this- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

              I mean I don’t like the Democrats, but my god… Trump and his people want a one-party state with him as dictator for life and one of his kids succeeding him.

              The capitulation would have been for stopping that.

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                Don’t worry. There will be no shortage of people clutching their pearls and smugly saying they stood up for their ideals by not voting for Democrats, as they ride to concentration camps.

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                  Pft no they’ll just continue to blame Democrats. How dare they make you vote for the Republican because they weren’t inspiring enough for your vote?

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      Generally voting for democrats on the federal level just means halting or slowing down the inevitable ratchet towards fashism

      Is it an inevitable turn towards fascism, or is it people refusing to vote against fascism because Democrats don’t “inspire” them?

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        You can either keep shaming non-voters, or democrats could maybe do something for them once in a while that’s not a corporate giveaway disguised as policy.

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          If a progressive is running against a fascist, and a moderate chooses not to vote because they think both options are “too extreme”, does that mean the progressive candidate inevitably leads to fascism?

          I’ll happily keep shaming non voters, because their logic makes no fucking sense and I hate such blithe idiocy. I’m no Democrat spokesperson nor party official. If a random person being mean to them online is enough for them to refuse to vote against bigotry, I couldn’t care less about their opinion.

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            If a progressive is running against a fascist, and a moderate chooses not to vote because they think both options are “too extreme”, does that mean the progressive candidate inevitably leads to fascism?

            Last time moderates didn’t get their very first choice, they formed a PAC to fundraise for McCain/Palin.

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      then there’s all the other stuff like student loans, the child tax credit

      I see someone isn’t following what is happening or how this works. The President, leader of the Dems, changed federal policy to forgive student loans (or at least a big chunk of them for a big chunk of the population) and it got struck down by the Supreme Court thanks to the other party. The Dems passed the child tax credit and then couldn’t get it through the house to renew it because of the other party.

      Generally voting for democrats on the federal level just means halting or slowing down the inevitable ratchet towards fashism, not actually improving things

      Let’s say that’s true, it’s objectively not but let’s pretend it is. Isn’t that still the obviously better option? How the fuck is fascism today better than fascism tomorrow?