• agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    Because you would have said I was lying then too, and it wasn’t relevant. Because my position wasn’t that astrology is accurate. My position was that not every horoscope is vague enough to apply to anyone.

    Have you considered that the differences in horoscope generation? Did the study control from different astrologers, difference in methods, difference in detail?

    None of which is relevant, because, again, my statement wasn’t that astrology is accurate. My statement was that not every horoscope is vague enough to apply to anyone. If there exists one single horoscope which excludes one single person, the statement “All horoscopes are vague enough to apply to anyone” is false. This is basic logic, you should’ve covered this in undergrad.

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      Nope, you’re just a liar. Only after I told you how to properly do a double blind experiment did you say that’s what you did.

      Fuck off liar.

      And go read the paper. The people couldn’t tell a real astrology report from a random computer generated one. If astrology reports were so accurate the people could pick out out from an obviously fake one, but they could not.

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          11 months ago

          Fuck off liar, or answer one of the many actual questions I posed you, or just read the papers I sent you.

          No, you won’t do any of that so just fuck off.

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            11 months ago

            Which questions haven’t I answered?

            About being a professional scientist? I’m not, but that doesn’t matter.

            I’ve answered every other question. And your paper about astrology continues to be irrelevant to my point: the fundamental uncertainty of science.

            I suspect you’re lying, since you claim to be a professional scientist, yet you:

            1. Constantly conflate accuracy with precision

            2. Believe in unfalsifiable truths in the empirical sciences

            3. Think that credentials themselves are evidence

            That’s all middle school stuff.

            Watch the video. It’s a lecture at a global top 20 university that you might recognize, and reiterates all the points I’ve been making:

            That absolute certainty is fundamentally unattainable in the empirical sciences (he even explicitly includes evolution and gravity). That the only absolute certainty possible is in the formal sciences (math, logic, etc) because they are defined not observed.

            Or do you think you know more about this topic than this professor, who teaches this exact topic, at a global top 20 university?

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              I’m not, but that doesn’t matter.

              Took you long enough, and yes, it does matter.

              I’ve answered every other question.

              You have not, because I asked many, many times what science have you done?

              Constantly conflate accuracy with precision

              Wrong, I have already informed you you fell for the Barnum effect.

              Believe in unfalsifiable truths in the empirical sciences

              The existence of gravity is unfalsifiable, the explanation for it is. And when people discuss lack of absolute knowledge, that is what they are talking about, and that is what the video is talking about.

              Think that credentials themselves are evidence

              Nope, that’s you lacking the ability to read once again.

              And when are you going to read those papers I sent you?

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                And when are you going to read those papers I sent you?

                Right after you watch that video, which you clearly didn’t because he discusses gravity and explicitly disagrees with your conclusion.

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                  Already did, I agree with many of his points, and disagree with others.

                  When are you going to answer my question now?

                  or are you going ti finally fuck off, or is your autism making that impossible?

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                    No no, he is the expert, he knows more than you. That was not an opinion piece, that was an 100-level introduction to the fundamental principles of scientific knowledge. He has better credentials, therefore he’s correct, isn’t that what you said? That’s how science works in your imagination.

                    Regardless, I’m gonna go with an expert over some random labcoat mixologist who doesn’t understand the basic precepts of the scientific method.

                    You’re beyond saving, a symptom of the brain rot. I’m sorry for that, I wish you, and those like you, were salvageable. This conversation wasn’t really to save you, but to warn bystanders. I think this is pretty far past the point where anyone else will go, so it serves no further purpose. Consider sitting in on HPS100, it’s never too late to learn. Though I assume your autism makes that impossible.