• Toes♀@ani.social
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    11 months ago

    Gotta cite your facts when it’s about such controversial facts.

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      11 months ago

      In Reddit it doesn’t really matter. You can cite the best sources ever, use a pristine logic, and the local irrationals will still find some excuse to believe in whatever.

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          11 months ago

          You do see plenty of that in most places, but I feel like it’s way worse in Reddit. As if there was something there reinforcing it. (Perhaps the local culture? I have no idea.)

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              11 months ago

              I don’t disagree that the voting system (specially karma) plays a role, but I think that Reddit embraces oversimplifications a bit too much, and that’s part of the problem - because then you get both sides discussing if 2+2 is 3 or 5, and if you say “it’s 4” nobody will bat an eye (except to screech at you).

              In special, three types of false dichotomy:

              • no gradation: 50 is either 0 or 100.
              • no third category: since apples and bananas are different from each other, then grapes must be either a type of apple or a type of banana.
              • no superset or subset: if all bananas are fruits, then all fruits are bananas.

              You do see those things in Lemmy too, but nowhere as much as in Reddit; and it has consequences everywhere, including political discussion. Or in 4chan - as much as their userbases hate each other, they fall for the same logical traps.

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            11 months ago

            Nah, it’s just as bad everywhere else online, IMO. Youtube and Facebook (including instagram, etc.) comments are unusually bad, though. The general feeling on any social media is that seemingly everyone is falling over themselves and others in a race to be so incredibly stupid and ignorant that it’s gone several levels lower than should be possible.

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              11 months ago

              I would classify the people on YouTube and Faceboom as a completely different class of special morons. They are all unique in their stupidity.

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        11 months ago

        The other key factor is to not be an insufferable dickhead when you’re posting. You can post the truest facts known to man but if you come across as a smug asshole then people will naturally be inclined to think your wrong.

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          I feel like your tone plays next to no part on that. If they agree and you’re rude, your rudeness becomes “justified”; if they don’t agree and you’re rude, they’ll play the victim, assume (yet another sign of stupidity) that you’re angry, or even “u rude than ur rong lol lmao”.

          Same deal with explanation length; make it succinct and to-the-point and they’ll assume words on your mouth, make it verbose and well-explained and they’ll distort it.

          In my old community (here, in Lemmy - showing that the problem is not exclusive to Reddit) I scolded people like this, even when I happened to agree with them. I could’ve banned them, but I have no idea on how to approach this in large scale.

          [Sorry for the rambling.]

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        11 months ago

        All that matters is whether you’re speaking for or against the prevailing assumptions of the site/the subreddit. Most people on the internet are not experts on the topic but somehow already have their minds made up.

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      11 months ago

      I’ve cited nonexistent sources before. It seems convincing and nobody actually checks, so the other guy got downvoted because I got sources. I can imagine they weren’t happy about it, seemed like they actually knew their shit.