You sure are. 🥰 Why don’t you give a real argument about how you think it’s okay for, under the oppressive system of capitalism, capital owners to expand their tools with which they exploit the working class? Go on bud, go for it!

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Don’t know what to tell you. If you don’t see the issue with taking another person’s labor and exploiting it for your own capital gain, then I don’t know why you’re even leftist. You sound more like an opportunist at that point.

Corporations are the problem because they are exploiting and stealing other people’s generated labor for capital gain. If someone else is doing that, it’s still bad, because that’s how corporations are started.

You’re right, capitalism is a problem. Abolishing capitalism is more important than fighting progress in AI development. But we aren’t doing that. We aren’t there. So AI’s current existence and commercial implementation is a net negative to society at large.

It’s like a farmer who has painstakingly grown a full crop, only for a random person to walk up with a magical tractor that duplicates the crop instantly, but in a way shittier and inferior way, and then is able to undercut the farmer by as much as they want because they basically have to perform no labor. And then the farmer is given the opportunity to “heal” the harvested crops, but you know. For a lot less. Since the other guy already did the “work”.

And yeah, I’m not generally that worried about people with their own LLMs or whatever. But they’re not exactly free tools. Not everyone has equal access to them. If we existed in a communist society where everyone has equal access to the AI, that would be different. But we aren’t. Like why are we even discussing this. “No ethical consumption under capitalism” isn’t really valid here, because this isn’t consumption. It’s capital production generated from labor theft. Lmao. Can they be used responsibly? Yes. Are they? Largely, no! So what’s the problem? Capitalism, sure! Can we deal with that problem? Nope! Does that mean we can’t create regulative rules to protect laborers from having their labor stolen? No, we could definitely do something about that. It’s called IP laws. Are IP laws perfect? No. Do IP laws do more for individuals than for large corporations? I would guess not. Does it offer them more protection than if they didn’t exist at all? Yes. Could they be reworked? Probably.

So… what’s your point? Fuck trying to fix things, everyone just do whatever you want, it’s the end of days, hopefully revolution comes on its own? Lol, whatever yo.

Original point: some people (didn’t say me) think it’s immoral.

Secondary point: IP laws aren’t inherently immoral, they conceptually exist to protect laborers from having their labor exploited by people with more existing capital. They aren’t even good in their current implementation, but believing in some form of IP law under capitalism is essentially a socialist policy.

Third point: When most people think of AI, they think of corporate use. Literally no one gives a flying fuck about your personal models trained on your personal data, except for environmental activists. Who even then, generally begrudge corporations way more than the individual, but they are still technically right when speaking about the individual’s personal impact as well. You can say they are ignorant and their position is nothing more than “capitalism is the problem”, but boiling it down to that is reductive and makes you seem like an idiot trying to argue a black and white perspective. “We absolutely have no reason to be critical of AI because capitalism exists. Capitalism is the problem, and therefore, AI’s impact on exacerbating the problem is completely irrelevant.” Lmao. That’s your position. That’s the position you’re trying to argue.

Fourth point: It’s more important to worry about where we are at than where we want to be. And look around. AI is a problem, and it needs regulation, and regulation of it includes protecting ACTUAL artists.

I think you’re missing the point of what a boycott is accomplishing in this case. I don’t think it has anything to do with their financial situation, the boycott is presumably (from my perspective) to lower interaction and engagement and make it a less attractive instance for new people to get sucked into.

We already have a term for what you’re talking about, it’s called being a tankie lmao.

Sorry, aren’t you busy revolting or something?

That’s a fair statement, but I think it’s a more fair statement to say almost anyone hating on AI is usually referring to corporate AI in the first place. Also, the person whose behalf you’re defending AI clearly thinks that the AIs being trained on other peoples’ work is completely fine. So I think you jumped in on the wrong side tbh

No no, I’m saying “fixing capitalism” is necessary before advocating for AI lmao.

LOL.

My original argument was still pretty sound, actually! Thanks for trying tho!

Right, did you miss the part where the AIs are usually trained using stolen data and also consume huge amounts of energy? Why are you defending AI rn? 🥱

Right… but they do… so…

Irrelevant until we fix that problem. And guess what? Advocating for AI in the meantime is only going to give more power to corporations :) so great job, bud!

Yes, capitalism IS bad. Labor is stolen and exploited for profit by people who added nothing or next to nothing. Sound familiar?

No, you absolute child, it is LAUGHABLE for you to consider yourself a “leftist”.

Real leftists advocate for harm reduction, meaning that defending individual creator’s IP rights are a MUST, at least until capitalism is abolished.

In other words… got anything intelligent to say, or just going to keep saying stupid shit?

Oh, so you don’t really have a proper grasp on the issue, huh?

You see, creators create things because they need money to provide food, shelter, etc

AI directly steals from creators so that it can attempt to reproduce something to replace them.

So you can be over here like “blahblah you don’t have a right to defend your intellectual property blahblah”, but no reasonable adult will ever take you seriously. Because you are advocating for the dissolution of jobs and attacking livelihoods.

So shut up! :)

A lot of peope consider it immoral.

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Actually, torture is a method by which people advance their goals. For example, you might torture someone to extract information. The point of the practice is to extract information, not necessarily cause pain. It just so happens that torture was the method they deemed most effective.

Have anything intelligent to say or are you just going to keep saying stupid shit?

At what point did anyone say humans and cows were the same? Or dogs and cows? You just started saying that because you don’t have any actual rebuttal.

We compare things that are different all the time- in fact, that’s how the concept of comparison works. You can’t really compare two identical things because there is nothing to compare. They are identical.

It’s Ubisoft. They’ve been on the dark side for like the last 10 years.

I play 5e, but:

I feel that the reason people are hating on 5e is not because the system is bad, it is almost exclusively because Wizards and Hasbro tried to fuck everyone over.

There might be certain systems that some people subjectively prefer because they do certain things in a way they prefer, but that literally doesn’t matter, that is subjective. DnD5e is practically a house name at this point. It is popular and well regarded, especially by new players. Anyone who wants to make the claim that the system is bad will have bang their subjective arguments against the steel wall that is its popularity.

So that is to say… the reason to not play 5e is because it’s important to punish WotC and Hasbro, and it’s important to support rising publishers.