• dino
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    arrow-down
    11
    ·
    3 days ago

    Do I have to ask the Illuminati? Or aljazeera?

    • WaxedWookie@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      3 days ago

      How about Brigadier General Yitzhak Segev, the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s.

      Oh look - a New York Times reporter saved us the trouble. Turns out that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who also corroborated this statement).

      …there’s that, and the whole military occupation to maintain an apartheid state in an open air concentration camp, the decades-long annexation campaign. You’ll be surprised to learn that people find that kind of thing upsetting.

      • dino
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        3 days ago

        Thank you for providing the first real information here. But the last paragraph doesn’t sit right with me, the things hamas did is not resistance. And also you make it sound like the Palestinians didn’t chose “Hamas” but in the end you try to relativize what happened on 7th of Oct as a result of “military occupation” etc.

        So what now? Also I think its pointless to bring this up here, but seeing how people react across the world in terms of the terror atrocities, its quite clear on what side the palestianias stand on…on the wrong one. I am really sorry for people who ACTUALLY want to have a peaceful live, no matter what religion or origin.

        • WaxedWookie@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          2 days ago

          The PLO were in power, Israel knew who Hamas were, and funded their rise to power (for what reason other than to manufacture the pretext for this genocide?), they also created and maintained the conditions that would motivate and justify violent resistance, so yes - Israel are responsible for Hamas.

          In maintaining the horrible conditions I pointed to, Israel further motivated people to push back by any means necessary while giving them as little as possible to live for.

          You don’t get to tell us you want peace as you defend a genocide. You don’t get to tell us about atrocities as the IDF gleefully document dozens per day, and you don’t get to tell the people you’re genociding that they’re wrong.

          With that all clarified, what would justifiable Palestinian self-defence look like, and do those principles apply equally to Israel?

          • dino
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            2 days ago

            So basically Hamas is an inside job in order for Israel to exterminate innocent people? And the reasoning for that is…? I guess 7th October was also a self made incident?

            • WaxedWookie@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 day ago

              What’s your explanation for Israel funding the terrorists’ displacement of the secular moderates with predictable, deadly results?

              What - you think Netanyahu cares about Israelis given his refusal of ceasefire after ceasefire and hostage exchange after hostage exchange? How quaint.

              Seems straightforwardly clear that it was to manufacture the pretext for the current genocide.

              • dino
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 day ago

                Thats quite the “theory”. Also I am still failing to see the motivation? “just kill some muslims” and sacrifice some of our own for that?

                • WaxedWookie@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  1 day ago

                  For the third time - why did Israel fund Hamas’ displacement of the secular moderates with predictable results?

                  Kill the Palestinians, take their land - you know - exactly what they’ve been doing for decades, and were able to dramatically accelerate after October 7th.

                  • dino
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    15 hours ago

                    Ah okay, Israel just wants more land… that is why they sacrifice their own people and kill “innocents”. Sorry but no, I rather see the truth in it. And seemingly the world is also moving towards that. Lets see what Trump will do in that regard. :)

      • dino
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        3 days ago

        I wouldn’t call that good faith, but nice try.