Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?

@PugJesus

What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?

Community ban, comments wiped from modlog

Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).

Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).

Unable to find comments in modlog

Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.

I was community banned after the mod falsely smeared me as doing genocide apologia. Not just me but also the hosts of the Blowback podcast Brendan James and Noah Kulwin, as well as Noam Chomsky. According to PugJesus, we are all actually pro genocide.

Context:

In this post about the victims of the Iraq War, I shared Season 1 of the Blowback podcast as it does a phenomenal job covering the war and aftermath while humanizing the victims. PugJesus falsely smeared them as “campist cretins” to discredit the entire podcast. I pushed back.

PugJesus brought up a previous discussion where they also tried to discredit the Journalists and Podcast based on tweets. Here, as with the more recent post, pushed back.

The tweets in question:

According to PugJesus, this is evidence that Brendan James and Noah Kulwin are pro Russia and pro Ukrainian genocide. I completely disagree.

To clarify my position. I have always maintained the position that Ukraine is fighting a war of self defense and fighting for their sovereignty. I have always maintained that Putin’s war is illegal and unjustifiable; and that what Russia should do to pull out completely and enact reparations. I have always maintained that I am in complete support of supplying arms to Ukraine, same as any other people fighting against Imperialism and/or Colonialism. I also consider Putin’s invasion justifies the need of a European security pact, although I’d prefer it to be one without the US. And yes, Putin’s war is a genocide, as multiple genocide scholars have expressed.

I do not consider the US to be a benevolent and altruistic actor. Instead I consider the US to not have the best interests of Ukraine at heart; using the opportunity to expand NATO for the benefit of US Hegemony and to extract capital out of Ukraine. I believe those are worth criticizing and not remotely “genocide apologia”

The two contentious points are as follows

Has the US escalated the conflict to further its own foreign policy goals? Or is saying so genocide apologia?

From the evidence I have seen, yes the US has escalated the conflict. That does not mean Ukraine is to blame, which they aren’t. Nor does it mean Russia hasn’t escalated the situation more than the US has, which is an easy argument to make and has merit. All it means is that there are actions by the US worth criticizing as they at the expense of Ukraine.

Sources:

Has the US used the conflict to exploit Ukraine financially? Or is saying so genocide apologia?

I think the US has certainly exploited Ukraine, in particular with the usual neoliberal model of loans and privatization via the IMF and World Bank. This is a criticism of the US and of Neoliberal economics, not of Ukraine who’s facing an existential threat.

Sources:

Of course both these criticisms are peanuts when it comes to Trump’s complete alignment with Putin’s foreign policy aims.

I’m no expert on Russia/Ukraine, if anyone has sources I’ve overlooked please share. My main concern is the discrediting of Blowback and the Journalists who host it, who have done phenomenally detailed and sourced work on the Iraq War, Cuba, Korea, Afghanistan, and Cambodia. Likening them to “pro-genocide” is disingenuous at best and discrediting their work on that is an injustice.

  • SomeLemmyUser
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    6
    ·
    4 days ago

    You keep using this word, but I don’t think you know what it means. One can be In total support of Ukraine and clearly judge Russia for starting a war and breaking international law while still not be blind to history!

    If one wants peace one needs to understand geopoltics and imperialism.

    Sure its not OK by moral standards that Russia wants to influence sovereign states for their military interest. Sadly the world doesn’t (yet) work by moral standards or international law.

    One can criticize the imperialistic war of Russia, but one can also criticize the imperialistic economic and hegemonial control the US seeks over the region, those things don’t contradict each other.

    We have one facist and one nearly facist state fighting over their imperialistic interest, neither of them is doing it because of ethics or international law.

    We Europeans are the victims in this coflict of two imperialistic super powers, and even if one is worse then the other, both are far from perfect or even bothered in things other than their own interest and what they can gain and both can be criticized. this does not negate that one is using far worse means to achieve their special interests atm.

    • Skiluros@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      4 days ago

      but one can also criticize the imperialistic economic and hegemonial control the US seeks over the region, those things don’t contradict each other.

      There was no legitimate criticism. It was some word salad about neoliberal world order and IMF. There were no real world references to Ukraine’s engagement with IMF.

      Sure its not OK by moral standards that Russia wants to influence sovereign states for their military interest. Sadly the world doesn’t (yet) work by moral standards or international law.

      Be clear about this and don’t hide in the skirts. I don’t know what part of Europe you are from, but you are deluding yourself if you think the russians would be satisfied with just Ukraine. Domination and extermination of the Baltic nations remains a key agenda for a significant majority of russians. And that’s just an “immediate” goal.

      • SomeLemmyUser
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        4 days ago

        You are fighting a strawman. I dont think russian imperialism will stop with Ukraine, they are an aggressive force and try to dominante (at least) whole eurasia. As I said: they are a facist oligarchy and need to be stopped.

        My point is that Russia being the bad guy doesn’t make USA the good guy.

        • FelixCress@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          3 days ago

          My point is that Russia being the bad guy doesn’t make USA the good guy

          Yes. But the quotes about USA wars taking more victims than the Russian wars are completely irrelevant whataboutery in the context of Russian invasion of Ukraine. The only reason to invoke these in this context is to deflect the attention from Russian crimes.

            • SomeLemmyUser
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              edit-2
              1 day ago

              Where is the subreddit to post to when mods remove actual good faith diferenced arguments on yepowertippinbastards? XD

              Edit: also funny the modlog mentions “spam” and I can appeal to a not, but if one tries to actually appeal one messages get blocked ^^

    • Serinus@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      4 days ago

      The fascist part of our state is on Putin’s side. You can’t really say those are fighting each other.

      It’s the remnants of our Democratic state supplying Ukraine. And it’s not because of ethics, but it is absolutely ethical.

      And fuck right off with your characterization of being victimized by the US supporting Ukraine. This is borderline propaganda.

      • SomeLemmyUser
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        4 days ago

        The facist part is defenetly on Putin’s side. The problem is that its on trumps side as well (all be it a lot less produced as of now).

        You are fighting a strawman, I am pro supying Ukraine with weapons, I am pro having a European defense pact, I just don’t think USA is doing it for democracy but for own imperialistic reasons. The deals trying to get resources and power plants in exchange for support by trump are just one outrageous sign of that.

        And again: you are fighting a strawman if u say I victimize by US supporting Ukraine, that not the point. Yes USA isn’t intervening militarily in the EU at the moment, but not because they are an non-imoerialistic ethical state, but because they don’t need to. They have economic control of the region, they have cultural hegemony with media and tech companies and they have Orwell like spying institutions from which not even the highest leaders of eg Germany like Merkel or scholz are safe.

        Yes, the means they use to control us are far better because soft power Is enough atm, but its still control in imperialistic manner. This is not thaaat bad as long as the USA is more or less democratic and has similar norms and ethics as most European states but this is changing rapidly with trump.

        Everyone who doesn’t see the power grab of facists in the USA is blind and needs to read adorno IMHO.

        • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          edit-2
          4 days ago

          I am pro supying Ukraine with weapons, I am pro having a European defense pact, I just don’t think USA is doing it for democracy but for own imperialistic reasons.

          There’s a huge difference between realizing that every bullet the US ships to Ukraine helps weaken a major geopolitical opponent at several thousand times the efficiency of any other method, and claiming that doing so is “escalating the situation”.

          The situation is one (nuclear) step removed from maximum escalation, and it’s been like that since the first Russian stepped into Crimea, and the blame lies entirely with Russia.

          The claim that “outside parties are making the war worse” is quite literally propaganda by the party committing the genocide. Sure, every country helping Ukraine benefits from the aid they send, but that doesn’t mean it’s escalating, except in the sense that the war would be over if Russia had won.

          Every country is wrapping their contribution to the downfall of a geopolitical opponent in a nice gift wrap of ethical behaviour, and the fact that Russia sucks doesn’t mean the US doesn’t suck. But the only party escalating is Russia, and it can only ever be Russia.