• gandalf_der_12te
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    3 days ago

    no graceful transition is opted for

    transition to what, exactly? i think people might have vastly different opinions about this, so it’s not easy to just go to a new thing

    Instead they follow the same route as all the empires of old, increasing violence and desperation practically guaranteeing hatred and reprisal when they are crippled and broken.

    When you are about to die yourself, do you just let it happen or do you struggle and try to fight against it?

    • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      1 day ago

      I don’t think personification of nation states is a useful model when reasoning about how they behave.

      Examples of transitions would be building up the independence and economies of previously oppressed states claimed in dominion, in order to build an economic bloc that can be relied on. Meanwhile winding back spending on military and force projection.

      Nobody would ever do this, I just wish people could learn how to avoid the same mistakes as every previous empire.

      At least life will almost certainly improve for south Americans.

    • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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      3 days ago

      Fighting back against fascism is great, but fighting for a slightly more benevolent form of fascism won’t get you anywhere. You really think the Dems will abolish ice if they get Trump out if office?

      • Digit@lemmy.wtf
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        You really think the Dems will abolish ice if they get Trump out if office?

        United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (“ICE”)

        Formed: March 1, 2003; 22 years ago

        They had a couple opportunities to already, and didn’t.

        It didn’t start with Trump, does not likely end with Trump, did not end with Dems.

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        3 days ago

        The only problem Dems see with ICE is their lack of training. If they ever get back in control, they’d increase ICE funding under the guise of getting them better trained.

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        3 days ago

        i never said i support the democrats. in fact i don’t. sorry if it came across that way.

        • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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          2 days ago

          Ok, fair enough. I don’t know what the future will look like any better than anyone else. But imo fighting fascists is always better than just letting it happen.

          • Tonava@sopuli.xyz
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            But imo fighting fascists is always better than just letting it happen.

            This absolutely. No matter how hopeless it is, if you do not even try, they will win.