They’ve got a quite unusual stove that’s got a large battery in it so that it can operate when the power is off, and doesn’t need the installation of a 240v power connection. This avoids the cost of an electrical retrofit of old apartment buildings, which otherwise costs far more.
If you’ve already got your home wired for 240v, you can get an induction stove for far less.
These battery-equipped stoves are expensive right now because they’re being made in quite small numbers. The parts needed are coming down in price quite rapidly, so I expect to see them sold in the $2000/unit price range within a few years.
PWM is vital; I can melt chocolate on my stove today but “low” often is 100% power at 90% off 10% on and burns food.
Also making sure the boards and chips are hefty enough. I don’t trust Samsung and LG to lay enough of a trace on the board or use a sufficiently large heatsink on the switching circuitry that it’s not going to melt through when I boil water daily. I don’t recall details but last time I was looking into it, even some higher end brands had failure rates after 5-10 years (or sooner if the “power boost” or whatever was used because they cheaped out. My gas stove will survive the apocalypse, but whether it survives the Operation Epic Fail is another thing.
My first induction stove was a Samsung purchased in 2011-ish. One of the circuit boards had to be fixed in 2021-ish by a third party I found on eBay because Samsung stopped making parts for my stove. A just under 10 year old stove.
My Whirlpool washing machine, bought at the same time as the stove, had an issue at the same time as the stove. Parts were readily available.
My new motto for appliances is “Has the company (name brand) ever made a cell phone or a television? Yes? Then I don’t buy their (large) appliances.”
I have burned out three induction hot plates and zero gas ranges in my life (from $120 to $300 units). I keep getting new ones because it’s something I can’t live without, but it does make me hesitant to drop $4k on an induction range. I also kind of just hate glass stove surfaces for a bunch of reasons.
Damn, I didn’t even think that these are also made as cheaply as possible and in a way that makes them unrepairable.
It’s a lot like electric cars: I get that they’re better but I don’t trust any company to make one that doesn’t do something shitty.
This is irrational past a certain point however, there is no reason non-electric cars won’t be programmed to do shitty things to?
This is Xenophobia wrapped up in our emotions around cars, there is little evidence that Electric Vehicles are more vulnerable to being hacked than other kinds of cars, the reason everyone is nervous about this is that “western” car makers are being left in the dust because of their own stupid choices and everyone feels anxious about it. This is how it manifests, a general mistrust in electric vehicles we intuitively seem to have that is a mirage obscuring feelings of insecurity about our own societies.
If you’re comparing new electric cars to new internal-combustion cars, sure. But old internal-combustion cars are a non-enshittified option too, and unfortunately, there’s no such thing as an old [mass-market] electric car.
If I could have, say, a GM EV1, or a 2001 Ford Ranger EV, or a 2001 Rav4 EV, or something like that (but with the NiMH batteries swapped for modern lithium ones), I’d totally get an EV. But those cars were all low-volume production when they were new, and are surely even harder to get a hold of now.
The Nissan Leaf is perhaps what you missed. My 2015 Leaf still has 80% SOC on its pack (75 mile range) so it is quite usable for 98% of my driving. It did have Nissan telemetry, but they’ve phased that out for the old Leafs, plus I simply removed the SIM. Parts available everywhere, third-party independent mechanics know the cars, and there are multiple companies offering battery upgrades, as well.
I didn’t miss the Leaf, but I had ruled it out because of the telemetry. This…
…is news to me. Got a source where I can read more?
https://mynissanleaf.com/threads/replacing-nissanconnectev-with-ovms-in-a-gen1-leaf.32715/
Thanks!
What? Tesla is like the worst offender for this.
Which is why Tesla is collapsing as a car brand in the US, most of the people who like Musk do not really want to buy an electric car, it just seemed like the cool thing to do while getting a “self driving” “smart” car.
Everybody who doesn’t like Musk won’t buy a Tesla because they suck anyways.
Yes but how is it xenophobia?
Because of distrust and paranoia that is applied selectively to electric cars because they are associated with foreign made.
But this is a distrust that is primarily applied to Tesla, an American car company whose cars are made in America. You’re not making any sense.
A lot of them these days are Korean, or internationally, Chinese.
We’re talking about the subconscious feelings of xenophobes
America’s gonna end up getting left behind
I don’t really want any car made after 2016, and will probably be buying used for the rest of my life unless car companies start acting different.
Also, it has nothing to do with hacking but thanks for showing you’re a tankie.
Ok what does it have to do with?
Also please define “tankie” for me in your own words thanks :)
Data tracking, right to repair, overall build quality, user interface, subscription services, planned obsolescence, and gimmicky features. And you’re exactly right that it applies to every modern car.
And a tankie is someone who projects xenophobia into a discussion about cars when it wasn’t even mentioned. And also capitalizes it randomly.
What?
Also they’re easily confused and distracted.
sigh
If you have some space or a septic tank you could always produce your own biogas:
https://www.homebiogas.com/