• cmnybo
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    10 months ago

    It looks like a typical, modern laptop. There’s hardly any ports on it, it uses a non removable lipo battery, and charges with a fragile USB C connector.

    I want a big, swapable battery that uses 18650 cells, a robust charging connector, a full set of audio jacks, ethernet, and lots of USB A connectors. USB C connectors don’t belong on a laptop unless they are easily replaceable like on the framework laptops.

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      10 months ago

      a robust charging connector

      Wtf? Usb-c charging is the best thing that’s happened to laptops this decade. You’re insane to want to go back to the bad times.

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        10 months ago

        The USB C connectors are way easier to break than a large barrel jack and they wear out faster too. If the USB C port is soldered to the motherboard, then you are in for a very expensive repair.

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          I used to be in the laptop repair biz. The most common failure mode we saw was the barrel connector. Even ones that were detached from the motherboard like the IBM Thinkpads had.

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            10 months ago

            The Apple mag-connectors are pretty awesome. I’ve never owned a macbook, but I still think those are the cat’s ass.

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            Honestly, I think that that has less to do with the connector itself and more because the power cord gets yanked.

            I’d assume that you could get a similar effect with any connector, USB included. Well, Apple’s MagSafe ones maybe not, as that’ll just pull the cord away.

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          and they wear out faster too

          The part that wears out is the thing that maintains tension, and that is on the (cheaper, replaceable) cable for USB.

          My understanding that this issue was part of why the move away from mini-USB to micro-USB and later USB-C happened. Mini-USB had the tensioning gizmo on the device, rather than on the cable.

          googles

          Yeah.

          https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/18552/why-was-mini-usb-deprecated-in-favor-of-micro-usb

          Why Micro types offer better durability?

          Accomplished by moving leaf-spring from the PCB receptacle to plug, the most-stressed part is now on the cable side of the connection. Inexpensive cable bears most wear instead of the µUSB device.

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          10 months ago

          Maybe don’t treat expensive hardware like it was made by Fisher Price? Why should consumer electronic manufacters cater to the careless at the cost of conveinence?

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      I’ve been using my Thinkpad that only charges over usb-c for 5 years now and the port is still like it was new. Can’t see why this is an issuse, especially that I used to have issues with some barrel port chargers and needed to replace them. On a contrary I now have charger with a plugin so simple that it’s unlikely it will break anytime soon and finding replacement charger is super easy as it is FINALLY a single standard port. I actually have 2 such chargers because of SteamDeck and they both work with both devices. Even if the connector in my laptop broke, there’s second one that I only used few times + replacing it would be easier as it’s not a big deal to find fairly standard connector to be resoldered, and with older laptop chargers there are many different variants of proprietary connectors.

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        I have a Thinkpad that has both the USB C and the traditional Thinkpad charging port.

        I normally just use the USB C port, but I do like having both available.

        Even if the connector in my laptop broke, there’s second one that I only used few times

        Unless your Thinkpad and mine differ – and maybe they do, given that mine has both the traditional and USB C charging ports, so a total of two – only one of the USB C ports can charge the laptop. On mine, both USB C ports can do USB PD, but one is in/out and the other is out only.

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      I want a big, swapable battery that uses 18650 cells,

      I mean, me too. I think that having less than a 100 Wh battery is nuts, but it’s essentially impossible to find them.

      I think that a couple of things have killed this:

      • Cost. Cutting battery size is an easy way to cut cost, and it’s less-explicit than, say, cutting RAM, as vendors often list a non-standardized “hours of battery life”.

      • USB PD plus external power stations. I think the expectation is that one will get one and having the user just use external ports makes life easier for the vendor and means that they don’t need to deal with counterfeit batteries and such. Also moves heat out of the laptop. I would be more sympathetic to this if there were a standard for a laptop to start automatically drawing from an external USB powerstation when its internal battery gets low, rather than requiring manually-triggering charging.

      • Weight. Apparently some people are super-rabid about laptop weight.

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      Are you willing to pay several thousand for a mediocre CPU and no dedicated graphics?

      Because even then they don’t have a chance of making their R&D back.

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          No, it’s what you get when you want an insanely niche product with features 99.99% of the population considers massive downgrades that would make them hesitant to take the product for free.

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            Right. It’s literally impossible for the people working on this to get paid less.

            If they did, they would die.

            Lol. 🤡

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              Do you know what’s involved in making the tooling to manufacture a laptop that’s even moderately space effective? It takes a huge amount of work, and the 20 people on the planet who would tolerate using it if they had a gun to their head the whole time can’t cover it.

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                I know that they can make less money and still live a higher quality of life than the vast majority of people on the planet.

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                  Who? Who are you talking about?

                  The people paying for the work to design the product you’re describing would lose hundreds of thousands in the best case scenario, and probably 7 figures. The people doing the actual work on the machines are already making subsistence wages in extremely low cost of living third world countries.

                  Developing products is expensive and takes a lot of time and resources.

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                    So… they couldn’t charge any less? This is the absolute lowest price they can charge and still break even?

                    They’re living paycheck to paycheck and surviving off of peanut butter sandwiches?