• conciselyverbose@kbin.social
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    Do you know what’s involved in making the tooling to manufacture a laptop that’s even moderately space effective? It takes a huge amount of work, and the 20 people on the planet who would tolerate using it if they had a gun to their head the whole time can’t cover it.

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      1 year ago

      I know that they can make less money and still live a higher quality of life than the vast majority of people on the planet.

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        1 year ago

        Who? Who are you talking about?

        The people paying for the work to design the product you’re describing would lose hundreds of thousands in the best case scenario, and probably 7 figures. The people doing the actual work on the machines are already making subsistence wages in extremely low cost of living third world countries.

        Developing products is expensive and takes a lot of time and resources.

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          So… they couldn’t charge any less? This is the absolute lowest price they can charge and still break even?

          They’re living paycheck to paycheck and surviving off of peanut butter sandwiches?

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            For the nonsense he asked for? If every single person on the planet who was interested was completely immune to price, it would still take 5 figures bare minimum to break even, without making any money at all.

            It’s not something most people would use if you put a gun to their head.

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              it would still take 5 figures bare minimum to break even, without making any money at all.

              So… how much are employees getting paid in this scenario? They can’t live with any less? Wow. Crazy how if they make even $1 less they’d be out on the street starving. It really is that close.

              And, just to be clear, you accept that these people are charging the absolute maximum they can get away with? You don’t believe they’re giving the community a ‘good deal’ by charging less than people are willing to pay?

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                Of the company designing it? Nothing.

                I’m exclusively talking about the cost of developing the design to be manufactured in a third world country, paying the employees there third would country wages. That costs a buttload of money up front that is made up with scale.

                There is no path to scale with this.

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                  So, it’s either “third world wages” or what they’re charging now? There’s no in between?

                  Please answer this: you accept that these people are charging the absolute maximum they can get away with?

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                    We’re not talking about a real product. We’re talking about a hypothetical product with unique features requiring a custom design.

                    The cost to a company to get prototypes for a laptop to the point where it is capable of being produced to deliver to third parties is 7 figures best case, not counting any of their own labor. That’s what they’re going to pay a source in China or India or wherever, who don’t have any employees making more than third world cost of living and don’t have big margins.

                    It takes a fucking lot of labor and materials to get a design for a product as complex as a laptop ready for assembly line production.