Idk if this is the case in Greece, or anywhere really this is all just second hand rumors, but I have been told by some Euro friends that a lot of Southern European cultures have this weird thing were casual gay relationships are sorta socially acceptable but the idea of gay people having more serious romances still pisses people off. Like the gays are fine if they’re all just going to clubs and having hook ups, heck even straight dudes having the occasional gay experience is fine, but the idea that these people may want to buy houses with their lovers and start a bed and breakfast suddenly triggers the regressive in them.
I sort of buy this cuz I knew people kind of like this in my Appalachian upbringing. The party queers in town are fine but I ain’t want them moving out to the holler to start a pig farm!
I think it’s just Italy and Greece. Spain and Portugal are some of the most queer inclusive countries in the world, and Baltic states are just homophobic all around
And yea around 62% of Italians and Greeks support gay marriage which is the lowest in western Europe and comparable to polls from soft-red US states
Now that you’ve put that into words, it kinda makes sense. It’s because the conservatives don’t see queer relationships as equally valid or serious, even if the end goal is the same. That plays a lot into identity: they identify themselves with their “traditions”, which includes “family”, so when someone different tries to do the same, “oh, they’re destroying ‘The Family’ by trying to have a family!”.
It’s kinda like gamer guys™ when a gamer girl just exists: “oh, no, she’s a gamer girl, let’s pick on her! You can’t like the same things as me because of your gender!” In the end, conservatism is all about identitarianism (“you can’t do x, y and z thint if you’re a Man!!”)—even though they’ll blame that on the Left, because every accusation from the Right is a confession.
Greece of all countries took this long?
Idk if this is the case in Greece, or anywhere really this is all just second hand rumors, but I have been told by some Euro friends that a lot of Southern European cultures have this weird thing were casual gay relationships are sorta socially acceptable but the idea of gay people having more serious romances still pisses people off. Like the gays are fine if they’re all just going to clubs and having hook ups, heck even straight dudes having the occasional gay experience is fine, but the idea that these people may want to buy houses with their lovers and start a bed and breakfast suddenly triggers the regressive in them.
I sort of buy this cuz I knew people kind of like this in my Appalachian upbringing. The party queers in town are fine but I ain’t want them moving out to the holler to start a pig farm!
Ironic. The thing that sets them off is when LGBT people try to do the more “conservative” thing.
I think it’s just Italy and Greece. Spain and Portugal are some of the most queer inclusive countries in the world, and Baltic states are just homophobic all around
And yea around 62% of Italians and Greeks support gay marriage which is the lowest in western Europe and comparable to polls from soft-red US states
Now that you’ve put that into words, it kinda makes sense. It’s because the conservatives don’t see queer relationships as equally valid or serious, even if the end goal is the same. That plays a lot into identity: they identify themselves with their “traditions”, which includes “family”, so when someone different tries to do the same, “oh, they’re destroying ‘The Family’ by trying to have a family!”.
It’s kinda like gamer guys™ when a gamer girl just exists: “oh, no, she’s a gamer girl, let’s pick on her! You can’t like the same things as me because of your gender!” In the end, conservatism is all about identitarianism (“you can’t do x, y and z thint if you’re a Man!!”)—even though they’ll blame that on the Left, because every accusation from the Right is a confession.
Don’t give them any fucking ideas about legalizing all of their past sexual behavior.
They’re bringing back the Agoge system
I mean it’s not funny but also it’s kind of funny
I’m actually kinda surprised they did it. They’re basically Italy 2, more conservative than the rest of “western” Europe
a certain mister Winston Churchill made sure of that towards the end of WW2