Imagine for a second what a mass execution on that scale does to the society that perpetrates it, especially those directly doing it. Killing hollows people out. No matter how justified. It hurts the person doing it. I mean thats an underdiscussed problem with the death penalty, the fact that it turns the executioner into a killer. I dont want to share space with someone capable of the coldness necessary to carry out state murder.
Its simply not practical, even if you think it is justified (and as a strict rehabilitationist, i would argue against that too).
Also institutions of mass execution have a way of self perpetuating.
Im fucking infuriated by this article too. And my first gut is blood for blood too. But when i think about the consequences of that, I know its not right.
I’m sure learning that your family was brutally murdered while seeking humanitarian aid also hurts. I bet it hurts learning that people you knew were crushed under trucks. I bet it hurts knowing that cumskins all over the world make excuses for the barbaric extermination of your people, make excuses for the IOF perpetrating it. I bet it hurts that as people react to the very real deaths of tens of thousands of Palestinians, there are people like you who insist on defending against even the hypothetical idea of Israelis receiving any justice for what they have done in cold-blood and with full intent. I know how it makes me feel, I can’t imagine how it might make someone living in this hell feel. Probably like burning the whole ass world down.
“What you chose to focus on” what do you want me to do? Make five comments calling for blood first to meet your standards of focus ratio? To make the obvious (that im intensly angry about this) clear? Dont assume my thoughts or intent.
I didnt do that because those comments already exist in plenty. I save my posts for original thoughts usually.
What is it with people and this “if you mention something it means youre not focusing on another thing” bullshit. I dont want to assume your neurotype, but it certainly smells like NT bullshit to me.
Eta: you mention in your first reply “justice”. Well ive been consistent in thinking justice should never be punitive. Mass killing isnt justice.
Eta2: The hypotheticalness of people here mentioning mass executions doesnt change how i feel about mass executions. I stand by every word i wrote. I am aware of the rage involved because i feel it too. But policy of What Is To Be Done shouldnt be driven by that.
Yeah, whenever I see someone post this kind of stuff, I kind of get the urge to have them put in a situation of “your new job is killing the people you want to see killed 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, they will be tied up and you may use a claw hammer or a machete, but you must meet a daily quota of kills” and see how quickly their enthusiasm wears off.
When you look at the breadth and scope of the groups these people are demanding to be killed, you’re realistically looking at creating an entire sector of the economy whose sole purpose is the efficient mass-killing of human beings for years if not decades. Maybe the people advocating these things would be okay with such a society, but it’s not the kind I joined the left to fight for, and contrary to what capitalist propaganda would have you believe, it’s not the kind that successful revolutionaries have historically created.
Imagine for a second what a mass execution on that scale does to the society that perpetrates it, especially those directly doing it. Killing hollows people out. No matter how justified. It hurts the person doing it. I mean thats an underdiscussed problem with the death penalty, the fact that it turns the executioner into a killer. I dont want to share space with someone capable of the coldness necessary to carry out state murder.
Its simply not practical, even if you think it is justified (and as a strict rehabilitationist, i would argue against that too).
Also institutions of mass execution have a way of self perpetuating.
Im fucking infuriated by this article too. And my first gut is blood for blood too. But when i think about the consequences of that, I know its not right.
empathy is one thing, mercy in a situation like this is altogether another
Its not even about mercy for the person who committed the act. I feel like what I wrote that should have made that pretty clear?
I’m sure learning that your family was brutally murdered while seeking humanitarian aid also hurts. I bet it hurts learning that people you knew were crushed under trucks. I bet it hurts knowing that cumskins all over the world make excuses for the barbaric extermination of your people, make excuses for the IOF perpetrating it. I bet it hurts that as people react to the very real deaths of tens of thousands of Palestinians, there are people like you who insist on defending against even the hypothetical idea of Israelis receiving any justice for what they have done in cold-blood and with full intent. I know how it makes me feel, I can’t imagine how it might make someone living in this hell feel. Probably like burning the whole ass world down.
Idk what about what I said makes you think I dont know all that.
It isn’t about what you do or do not know, it’s about what you choose to focus on.
“What you chose to focus on” what do you want me to do? Make five comments calling for blood first to meet your standards of focus ratio? To make the obvious (that im intensly angry about this) clear? Dont assume my thoughts or intent.
I didnt do that because those comments already exist in plenty. I save my posts for original thoughts usually.
What is it with people and this “if you mention something it means youre not focusing on another thing” bullshit. I dont want to assume your neurotype, but it certainly smells like NT bullshit to me.
Eta: you mention in your first reply “justice”. Well ive been consistent in thinking justice should never be punitive. Mass killing isnt justice.
Eta2: The hypotheticalness of people here mentioning mass executions doesnt change how i feel about mass executions. I stand by every word i wrote. I am aware of the rage involved because i feel it too. But policy of What Is To Be Done shouldnt be driven by that.
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Yeah, whenever I see someone post this kind of stuff, I kind of get the urge to have them put in a situation of “your new job is killing the people you want to see killed 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, they will be tied up and you may use a claw hammer or a machete, but you must meet a daily quota of kills” and see how quickly their enthusiasm wears off.
When you look at the breadth and scope of the groups these people are demanding to be killed, you’re realistically looking at creating an entire sector of the economy whose sole purpose is the efficient mass-killing of human beings for years if not decades. Maybe the people advocating these things would be okay with such a society, but it’s not the kind I joined the left to fight for, and contrary to what capitalist propaganda would have you believe, it’s not the kind that successful revolutionaries have historically created.